New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Goat]

You’ve gone right off the deep end recently on here.

No I havent.

Thats just silly.

 

[MikeH72]

No I havent.

Thats just silly.

Nobody else could possibly do any better.

 

[Goat]

Nobody else could possibly do any better.

Youve gone right off the deep end with that factual comment Mike.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I think its weird how all the Dychettes are now concerned what happens when Moyes leaves.

None of them cared when their hero quit on us in the middle of a relegation battle.

It's pointless worrying about the what after with Moyes...long term planning in football is few and far between.

I think there needs to be a meeting in the middle on here to put the Dyche thing to bed.

First season with a of bit of luck and some good performances we stayed up,Second season I actually thought he did a brilliant job and rightly so got his flowers but I genuinely thought this season he'd have kicked on but after Bournemouth at home I knew he was toast.

Don't forget when Alan Pace took over at Burnley he was legged, so as soon as it looked like TFG where incoming he knew the writing was on the wall regardless,and I think he give up,and thats when the excuses started.

 

[Goat]

It's pointless worrying about the what after with Moyes...long term planning in football is few and far between.

I think there needs to be a meeting in the middle on here to put the Dyche thing to bed.

First season with a of bit of luck and some good performances we stayed up,Second season I actually thought he did a brilliant job and rightly so got his flowers but I genuinely thought this season he'd have kicked on but after Bournemouth at home I knew he was toast.

Don't forget when Alan Pace took over at Burnley he was legged, so as soon as it looked like TFG where incoming he knew the writing was on the wall regardless,and I think he give up,and thats when the excuses started.

He went 4months without winning a game last season, I honestly dont even think he did that well.

Moyes is showing him up as an utter loser who created the problems he "saved" us from.

 

[Saint Domingo]

No I havent.

Thats just silly.

One thing still being obsessed about Dyche even though he’s irrelevant to us now.

You’re concerning yourself with why people online who supported the former manager want to see a successful future Everton?!

It’s weird territory. We all support the same club. Can’t see the need to stoke division in the fanbase when it’s not required.

 

[Goat]

One thing still being obsessed about Dyche even though he’s irrelevant to us now.

You’re concerning yourself with why people online who supported the former manager want to see a successful future Everton?!

It’s weird territory. We all support the same club. Can’t see the need to stoke division in the fanbase when it’s not required.

Im not concerned at all.

Im full of hope for the future.

Moyes is at the wheel, we have a new CEO, a brand new stadium to move into.

Im looking forward.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Im not concerned at all.

Im full of hope for the future.

Moyes is at the wheel, we have a new CEO, a brand new stadium to move into.

Im looking forward.

Good to hear

 

[Exeter_Gently]

He went 4months without winning a game last season, I honestly dont even think he did that well.

Moyes is showing him up as an utter loser who created the problems he "saved" us from.

Yeah...you're absolutely right in that sense.

He'd have absolutely been legged if a proper board was in situ.

Am pragmatic me though...am genuinely not bothered about playing football that's 'easy on the eye' as long survived last season under extreme circumstances which he did.

Like I said though once he knew the takeover was happening he started throwing people under the bus and his carry on was a disgrace,for him TFG weren't sacking him quick enough.

 

[WA Toffee]

The DOF/Head Coach model.

Head coaches are interchangeable that's the most popular structure in football. The coach has influence but limited in the likes of recruitment and strategy and reports to the DOF - checks and balances lie there.

The theory is when the coach leaves the club doesn't do a Utd after Ferguson for example - nor is the overall club strategy impacted significantly - think Chelsea.

So.wouldn't it then follow that the DOF becomes the keystone and if they leave, then it could all collapse?

 

[Neiler]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, just like you say, different perception. It’s all opinions at the end of day.

I’m also not saying we want to be Leeds, there are other examples of this structure elsewhere, but I don’t see their structure there as having failed and I also see it demonstrating success in areas we have wanted to. Agree though that there have also been failures there, and I’d imagine the lessons learned would be valuable. Rather that Kinnear learned with them than us in that regard.

definitely easier to be objective about another club though haha. Also have faith in Moyes to deliver this coming window. No guarantees but can see the logic of TFG’s decision to hire him given the developments we are seeing

Just to clarify I don’t have an issue on the structure, Moyes skillset etc - it’s just my
interpretation and practical application of the structure. It’s a regression to previous as opposed to anything innovative however people want to package it as something new. Moyes is the sun.

I’m overall surprised by they’ve given the level of faith in Moyes in the twilight of his career.

 

[Neiler]

Neil am just gona play devil advocate here for the purpose of friendly debate.

I know it's Apples and Oranges but Moyes had no Influence on the CEO so we can't wholly say that he's going to get Carte blanche from TFG and Kinnear on the whole recruitment set up...they will also have their advisors.

I feel that if Moyes is to pick the appointments around him TFG are going to want Metrics, Data and figures to support why these are deserving of a contract...don't forget if this goes west the fans will be looking at them,they seen this at Roma.

He wouldn’t have an input on the CEO as the CEO operates outside of his dept, he’s also his line manager. Which just underlines my point. In the footballing Dept if his mate from WHU is coming in then Moyes is appointing these kids then you have your authority.

I’ve actually no issue with the structure of Moyes actually doing that - in fact it’s probably optimal, but I’m not going to pretend that’s it’s a democracy when it’s not going to be. Again I don’t have an issue with Moyes leading this. The dependency will however be an issue in future proofing.

Maybe they will, they are putting a lot of faith in him in my opinion. 8n terms of model, structure, authority and appointments - were do the checks and balances come in - be interesting either be Moyes, CEO, Board.

The fact we haven’t gone for DOF makes me think the head of recruitment and Football operations are avcountable to Moyes and the CEO ie the flatter structure - if not then why not just appoint a DOF.

 

[Neiler]

So.wouldn't it then follow that the DOF becomes the keystone and if they leave, then it could all collapse?

Yes, but the average length of stay at the moment for a PL head coach is 14 months.

 

[canuckblue]

Also any potential future environment post Moyes will not look like it did in 2013.

In 2013 he effectively took the whole operation with him and Elstone went at a similar time. It left BK who promoted DBB from the charity who both probably just tried on Moyes for every decision. All of our infrastructure was reliant on the manager.

We’ll hopefully have a far stronger board and executive team this time so whenever we do move on from Moyes (hopefully not for a while) then we shouldn’t see the implosion of the club again.

And my guess is Moyes will bring someone into his coaching group that he can mould as his successor.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

He wouldn’t have an input on the CEO as the CEO operates outside of his dept, he’s also his line manager. Which just underlines my point. In the footballing Dept if his mate from WHU is coming in then Moyes is appointing these kids then you have your authority.

I’ve actually no issue with the structure of Moyes actually doing that - in fact it’s probably optimal, but I’m not going to pretend that’s it’s a democracy when it’s not going to be. Again I don’t have an issue with Moyes leading this. The dependency will however be an issue in future proofing.

Maybe they will, they are putting a lot of faith in him in my opinion. 8n terms of model, structure, authority and appointments - were do the checks and balances come in - be interesting either be Moyes, CEO, Board.

The fact we haven’t gone for DOF makes me think the head of recruitment and Football operations are avcountable to Moyes and the CEO ie the flatter structure - if not then why not just appoint a DOF.

It's this for me...I think they will allow him certain appointments which is fine but these aren't going to give him Carte Blanche.

These aren't Kenwright...they won't completely hand the keys to Moyes.