New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[devon_blue]

Which transfer decisions under Kinnear's watch do you see as being 'superior' lets say to Thelwell?

Also, if you know...when he was at West Ham?

For me, yes they signed Gnonto and Summerville but the main success for me was Archie Gray. Not seeing any wow factor?

Wasn’t his West Ham role mainly stadium : commercial focused? That’s what I understand from the bits I’ve read, but don’t know for sure

 

[peteblue]

Coming along nicely, not just appointing apparent quality, but taking care of debt in a way that is sustainable for the club.

Quiet competence appears to have landed.

I’m glad we are keeping Chong to oversee Goodison. The man has done a great job overseeing the delivery of the stadium…..

 

[Neiler]

The athletic article states they want a flatter structure with defined roles working in collaboration, literally the opposite of what you’re describing.

I don’t know if that structure necessarily caused the relegation - seemingly manager refusal to adapt tactics. Admittedly slow decision change manager in the end.

Which DoF did moyes torpedo? Thelwell? Not sure I agree with that if so

I think you are in danger of falling for souped up terms mate, "executive team" "flatter structure" - this isn't anything new its a a manager, a CEO, a head scout and middle management operations manager in the footballing dept - 100% Moyes is going to have influence on those appointments, so its very clear where the authority lies, how can anyone act independently of someone who influenced their appointment and has and could influence their position. Its a redaction back to before we went for a DOF model.

I read the Boyland article and came away with a different perception to you - don't forget The Athletic works on the economy of getting exclusives to send out the message the club wants.

Disagree if you think Leeds structure was a success or something to aspire toward.

Yes, Thelwell 100% - he made his position untenable, agree to differ.

 

[davek]

Moyes has got himself into a strong position,that cant be denied.

I think we all need to wait and see what this actual recruitment system we're going to implement looks like.

A few poster seems to this it's cut dry and he's going to be doing the whole lot...that's impossible in today games.

I think if anything he may try and tailor the recruitment team to suit how he works and they possibly may get their remit from him in terms of what profile he wants

It just underlines what a load horse these positions of DoF and Sporting Directors are. They can be cast off for a club of our size in an instant and often for the better.

The point I made years ago when this unwanted layer of bureaucracy came in was that their selling point - that if you have one you dont suffer a huge convulsion if the manager leaves because the new manager is chosen along the same philosophical lines the club wants to advocate and you dont get a lot of player turnover and waste - is utter nonsense.

Did that even remotely happen when we had a DoF?

Everton need:

A strong Chairman / CEO working with a strong minded manager who sits at the head of a very good scouting team.

I'm not sure about Kinnear. We'll have to see (I suspect he's being brought in to keep a lid on spending). But the reversion to a manager having complete say on acquisitions is a good move...as long as Moyes is still up to it.

 

[devon_blue]

I think you are in danger of falling for souped up terms mate, "executive team" "flatter structure" - this isn't anything new its a a manager, a CEO, a head scout and middle management operations manager in the footballing dept - 100% Moyes is going to have influence on those appointments, so its very clear where the authority lies, how can anyone act independently of someone who influenced their appointment and has and could influence their position. Its a redaction back to before we went for a DOF model.

I read the Boyland article and came away with a different perception to you - don't forget The Athletic works on the economy of getting exclusives to send out the message the club wants.

Disagree if you think Leeds structure was a success or something to aspire toward.

Yes, Thelwell 100% - he made his position untenable, agree to differ.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, just like you say, different perception. It’s all opinions at the end of day.

I’m also not saying we want to be Leeds, there are other examples of this structure elsewhere, but I don’t see their structure there as having failed and I also see it demonstrating success in areas we have wanted to. Agree though that there have also been failures there, and I’d imagine the lessons learned would be valuable. Rather that Kinnear learned with them than us in that regard.

definitely easier to be objective about another club though haha. Also have faith in Moyes to deliver this coming window. No guarantees but can see the logic of TFG’s decision to hire him given the developments we are seeing

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I think you are in danger of falling for souped up terms mate, "executive team" "flatter structure" - this isn't anything new its a a manager, a CEO, a head scout and middle management operations manager in the footballing dept - 100% Moyes is going to have influence on those appointments, so its very clear where the authority lies, how can anyone act independently of someone who influenced their appointment and has and could influence their position. Its a redaction back to before we went for a DOF model.

I read the Boyland article and came away with a different perception to you - don't forget The Athletic works on the economy of getting exclusives to send out the message the club wants.

Disagree if you think Leeds structure was a success or something to aspire toward.

Yes, Thelwell 100% - he made his position untenable, agree to differ.

Neil am just gona play devil advocate here for the purpose of friendly debate.

I know it's Apples and Oranges but Moyes had no Influence on the CEO so we can't wholly say that he's going to get Carte blanche from TFG and Kinnear on the whole recruitment set up...they will also have their advisors.

I feel that if Moyes is to pick the appointments around him TFG are going to want Metrics, Data and figures to support why these are deserving of a contract...don't forget if this goes west the fans will be looking at them,they seen this at Roma.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

One thing i will say is that Moyes has got Ranieri to thank for all this.

Even though they won trophy under Jose, TFG'S Roma tenure has been turbulent...De Rossi Juric.

When Ranieri came in he steadied the ship,calmed the fans down being somewhat of a legend,and allowed everyone time to breath...I think this is the reason they went for Moyes,I think they seen a similarities.

One thing we know is they don't like fanfare or to be seen so the calm experienced older head IE Ranieri & Moyes is probably more inline to the way they run things and probably where they see value.

 

[Goat]

One thing i will say is that Moyes has got Ranieri to thank for all this.

Even though they won trophy under Jose, TFG'S Roma tenure has been turbulent...De Rossi Juric.

When Ranieri came in he steadied the ship,calmed the fans down being somewhat of a legend,and allowed everyone time to breath...I think this is the reason they went for Moyes,I think they seen a similarities.

One thing we know is they don't like fanfare or to be seen so the calm experienced older head IE Ranieri & Moyes is probably more inline to the way they run things and probably where they see value.

Moyes was appointed cos he was available, thats all.

I doubt TFG had this grand plan everybody thinks they did.

 

[MikeH72]

Moyes was appointed cos he was available, thats all.

I doubt TFG had this grand plan everybody thinks they did.

He was appointed because we needed to stay up, and the last fella quit because he ran out of his 1 idea.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Moyes was appointed cos he was available, thats all.

I doubt TFG had this grand plan everybody thinks they did.

Personally I disagree.

I think once they knew it might have been going south with Dyche he was No1 target.

Even though the plan was to let Dyche see it out everyone knew he was finished.

Mate that's just my thinking.

 

[Goat]

Personally I disagree.

I think once they knew it might have been going south with Dyche he was No1 target.

Even though the plan was to let Dyche see it out everyone knew he was finished.

Mate that's just my thinking.

Well however we got here, its now clear that Moyes is the Supreme Leader.

So the outcome worked out great.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Well however we got here, its now clear that Moyes is the Supreme Leader.

So the outcome worked out great.

Very much so.

 

[Goat]

Very much so.

I think its weird how all the Dychettes are now concerned what happens when Moyes leaves.

None of them cared when their hero quit on us in the middle of a relegation battle.

 

[Blue peter]

Our most successful spell in the last 20 plus years has been when moyes had full control...so I guess its a safe bet...add some young upcoming talent in his supporting network to learn from him, and continuity shouldn't be an issue.

Short term possibly not, but longer term it will be. Look at when he left, we had a really good year under RM, but the quality of transfers beyond that first year started to drop, signings which we would not have seen under Moyes, and as a result gradually performances in general declined.

The most well known example of having one man dictate too much power (at football clubs) is Ferguson. Once he went, it all went downhill because there was no structure or succession planning underneath him. They were just lucky he managed the club for twenty odd years. Utd without Ferguson have less titles than us. As much as it annoys me to say it, the RS had one of the earliest examples of a structure which underpinned everything through the ‘boot room’ and they have a structure in place now which has seemingly allowed Slot to just come in and crack on.

Structure is essential to the long term running of a football club, where the change of personnel is just important but not necessarily fatal.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think its weird how all the Dychettes are now concerned what happens when Moyes leaves.

None of them cared when their hero quit on us in the middle of a relegation battle.

You’ve gone right off the deep end recently on here.