New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Curtis]

What does that prove other than they've rolled out a plan of action at their flagship club? Their commercial potential is greater than ours; they are an established top Italian team ready to crash the elite and win more trophies while we've been in the doldrums for decades.

I'd say we're right to be concerned that they dont see Everton as a refurbishment project - to tart up our status, get the stadium on course as a money spinner (with the social ramifications that may have in terms of changing the nature of Everton match-going fans as it has at LFC, for example )and sell on down the line...all the while putting their finances and energies into Roma.

We just font know. But it might settle suspicions down if they actually started IDENTIFYING with Everton a bit. The longer they dont the more it hands people (yes like me) space to doubt their motives for being here.

Numerous posters have addressed this point before , Dave, the potential for profit is far more significant in the Premier league

 

[Curtis]

I do like Dave but I do worry about his mental state.
As Evertonians we all have the right to be negative and miserable it's our birthright but I really do think Dave is abusing the privilege .

I think this is dave is most blissful when he can really embrace his contrarianism

 

[davek]

Numerous posters have addressed this point before , Dave, the potential for profit is far more significant in the Premier league

Yes, it is. Unless Roma become Italian champions or do well in Europe again, which is obviously TFG objective with them - as can be seen in terms of spending.

But TFG might see Everton as a short term turnaround project that can make a lot of money for them which they can use elsewhere.

As Evertonians we dont see it that way, but a business will see the headroom at a club like Roma and think it a no brainer that you continue to invest in that project to get success. Everton would be seen as having a mountain to climb in the PL pecking order whereas Roma could get to the summit of Italian football in a few years.

We need to stop thinking that TFG are automatically a good thing for us and start asking a few questions of them now. The novelty of new owners should have come to an end the moment this window shut with an alarmingly weak response by them in the transfer market when the squad we have is being held together with spit.

Genuflect less; question more.

 

[Curtis]

Yes, it is. Unless Roma become Italian champions or do well in Europe again, which is obviously TFG objective with them - as can be seen in terms of spending.

But TFG might see Everton as a short term turnaround project that can make a lot of money for them which they can use elsewhere.

As Evertonians we dont see it that way, but a business will see the headroom at a club like Roma and think it a no brainer that you continue to invest in that project to get success. Everton would be seen as having a mountain to climb in the PL pecking order whereas Roma could get to the summit of Italian football in a few years.

We need to stop thinking that TFG are automatically a good thing for us and start asking a few questions of them now. The novelty of new owners should have come to an end the moment this window shut with an alarmingly weak response by them in the transfer market when the squad we have is being held together with spit.

Genuflect less; question more.

Roma the Italian champions? They've done well with roma keeping them in the top 6 during their reign but now you're just conjuring outlandish scenarios , also you act like they have to favor one club over the other when they can be ambitious with both clubs at the same time.
Also the Jan. Window for us is not the best barometer in determining how invested they are, as we were still hobbled by psr, had a new manager that arrived mid January and according to the reports it was moyes who opted to be cautious about the window not the club. If the summer window is lackluster, you have a case but that's like 4 months from now and probably a million posts by you ranting about how the friedkins are unfit.

 

[davek]

Roma the Italian champions? They've done well with roma keeping them in the top 6 during their reign but now you're just conjuring outlandish scenarios , also you act like they have to favor one club over the other when they can be ambitious with both clubs at the same time.
Also the Jan. Window for us is not the best barometer in determining how invested they are, as we were still hobbled by psr, had a new manager that arrived mid January and according to the reports it was moyes who opted to be cautious about the window not the club. If the summer window is lackluster, you have a case but that's like 4 months from now and probably a million posts by you ranting about how the friedkins are unfit.

You know what, for all the snarkiness of your post you're actually agreeing with what I said: the novelty has worn off, it's time to start scrutinising. You just believe it should start in 4 months.

 

[Curtis]

You know what, for all the snarkiness of your post you're actually agreeing with what I said: the novelty has worn off, it's time to start scrutinising. You just believe it should start in 4 months.

There's a difference between evaluating a club's ownership and having expectations than having a predisposed agenda against them Dave. I think fans are entitled to want the best for their club and understand the wariness dur to past failed ownerships, but over scrutinizing every aspect until the club is able to exert it's resources is detrimental in my opinion

 

[davek]

There's a difference between evaluating a club's ownership and having expectations than having a predisposed agenda against them Dave. I think fans are entitled to want the best for their club and understand the wariness dur to past failed ownerships, but over scrutinizing every aspect until the club is able to exert it's resources is detrimental in my opinion

It's a matter of being en garde after the last 3 decades of owners who have run this club into the ground.

 

[PeregrineT]

You know what, for all the snarkiness of your post you're actually agreeing with what I said: the novelty has worn off, it's time to start scrutinising. You just believe it should start in 4 months.

I believe hes disagreeing with you but you arent agreeing to disagree you are trying to disagree into agreeing. I dont agree that disagreeing to agree is any kind of real agreement and I think most people would agree. Or disagree....or....

 

[Curtis]

It's a matter of being en garde after the last 3 decades of owners who have run this club into the ground.

I agree Dave , and over the other names who were in contention as owners for this club I think thr friedkins were the best option. We'd be in administration if the grifters of 777 were able to take over. I think all we can do is sit back at this stage and see what is done , I get the apprehension but they've done a decent job at roma despite some missteps which happens when running a club nothing catastrophic like moshiri or kenwright

 

[blue to the bone]

The new ceo apparently

 

[bluestevon]

What does that prove other than they've rolled out a plan of action at their flagship club? Their commercial potential is greater than ours; they are an established top Italian team ready to crash the elite and win more trophies while we've been in the doldrums for decades.

I'd say we're right to be concerned that they dont see Everton as a refurbishment project - to tart up our status, get the stadium on course as a money spinner (with the social ramifications that may have in terms of changing the nature of Everton match-going fans as it has at LFC, for example ) and sell on down the line...all the while putting their finances and energies into Roma.

We just font know. But it might settle suspicions down if they actually started IDENTIFYING with Everton a bit. The longer they dont the more it hands people (yes like me) space to doubt their motives for being here.

Dave.

They do not stick themselves in the spotlight, at Roma like you are seeing with us they made an initial statement of their goals, since then very very rarely do they publicly comment or stick the spotlight on themselves. After so long with Blue Bill putting himself front and centre as the self proclaimed biggest blue, followed by Moshiri embarrassing the club at every turn whenever he rang up his good mate Jim White, I'd thought you'd actually appreciate owners who act like professionals. At united you hear far more from Radcliffe than you ever heard from Edwards, who yo reckon united fans preferred? How often do you hear the head choppers at Newcastle, have we ever heard from them in fact? Or further matter how often do you hear Fenway over the park? Yup the better owners don't feel the need to constantly blab in the media or act like they are chummy with the fans - the ones who do are charlatans and fake btw.

Our most successful chairman you can probably count on one hand the number of times he ever spoke in public. Maybe TFG are simply not obsessed with the social media circus and I stead run a business as a business?

You constantly blather on about Roma being their flagship with much greater potential than us, yeah bs frankly, because nice though Rome is unless they can airlift it to England it's still the Italian league which is a million miles away from the premiership in terms of global appeal - which translates to global potential. Btw Roma last won Serial A - 25 years ago, last won a cup 17 years ago and had never won a European trophy until TFG bought them, I'd hardly classify that as recent success would you? 'win more trophies' yup like the league they win three times, once in the 40s, once in 84, and once in 2000. Massive recent success....

But continue sh*tsirring about their motives based on absolutely nothing in their entire business history which supports it, and in fact being quite literally contradicted by their actions at Roma. Which in many ways has a lot of parallels with Everton, a club which should be competing at the top, which has s rich sporting history, which has been historically the side which has spent most years in the top division, which was in financial trouble and which needed a new ground to be able to push upwards.

 

[bluestevon]

Yes, it is. Unless Roma become Italian champions or do well in Europe again, which is obviously TFG objective with them - as can be seen in terms of spending.

But TFG might see Everton as a short term turnaround project that can make a lot of money for them which they can use elsewhere.

As Evertonians we dont see it that way, but a business will see the headroom at a club like Roma and think it a no brainer that you continue to invest in that project to get success. Everton would be seen as having a mountain to climb in the PL pecking order whereas Roma could get to the summit of Italian football in a few years.

We need to stop thinking that TFG are automatically a good thing for us and start asking a few questions of them now. The novelty of new owners should have come to an end the moment this window shut with an alarmingly weak response by them in the transfer market when the squad we have is being held together with spit.

Genuflect less; question more.

Meanwhile ofc, you've seen Forest, Villa, Newcastle alone in the past 2 -3 years show that getting a club into the CL with proper financial backing is not some pie in the sky ambition.

Besides the glory of it btw winning the Italian league financially is dwarfed by finishing top 5 in England. Nobody goes into Italian football as an owner to make a fortune

 

[brieverton]

I don't have any issue with radio silence from The Friedkins. Their CEOs and DOFs at Roma have had plenty to say.

We do need communication now and then but it's quality rather than quantity we want.

I expect whatever information gap exists at present will be filled with the appointment of a CEO whenever that is and Thelwell/other will be more communicative for the summer transfer window.

Even then though, I wouldn't expect a whole amount. TFG have asked to be judged on actions not words and that's the test I'll apply in formulating any judgement in the future.

They did have enough insight to brief in advance of taking over here that they went a little OTT with their initial pronouncements after talking over at Roma and that wouldn't be the case here.

 

[milks]

I don't have any issue with radio silence from The Friedkins. Their CEOs and DOFs at Roma have had plenty to say.

We do need communication now and then but it's quality rather than quantity we want.

I expect whatever information gap exists at present will be filled with the appointment of a CEO whenever that is and Thelwell/other will be more communicative for the summer transfer window.

Even then though, I wouldn't expect a whole amount. TFG have asked to be judged on actions not words and that's the test I'll apply in formulating any judgement in the future.

They did have enough insight to brief in advance of taking over here that they went a little OTT with their initial pronouncements after talking over at Roma and that wouldn't be the case here.

Focus for the coming months should be commercial - get a CEO in. I truly hope the links to Paul Barber held some validity; he'd change the mentality of the club and would perfect to maximise the potential of BMD.

Football wise, back Thelwell or get off the pot. Pitch 'a new dawn at Everton' to those free agents who will give us the oomph we need for next season and begin the squad rebuild.

 

[davek]

Dave.

They do not stick themselves in the spotlight, at Roma like you are seeing with us they made an initial statement of their goals, since then very very rarely do they publicly comment or stick the spotlight on themselves. After so long with Blue Bill putting himself front and centre as the self proclaimed biggest blue, followed by Moshiri embarrassing the club at every turn whenever he rang up his good mate Jim White, I'd thought you'd actually appreciate owners who act like professionals. At united you hear far more from Radcliffe than you ever heard from Edwards, who yo reckon united fans preferred? How often do you hear the head choppers at Newcastle, have we ever heard from them in fact? Or further matter how often do you hear Fenway over the park? Yup the better owners don't feel the need to constantly blab in the media or act like they are chummy with the fans - the ones who do are charlatans and fake btw.

Our most successful chairman you can probably count on one hand the number of times he ever spoke in public. Maybe TFG are simply not obsessed with the social media circus and I stead run a business as a business?

You constantly blather on about Roma being their flagship with much greater potential than us, yeah bs frankly, because nice though Rome is unless they can airlift it to England it's still the Italian league which is a million miles away from the premiership in terms of global appeal - which translates to global potential. Btw Roma last won Serial A - 25 years ago, last won a cup 17 years ago and had never won a European trophy until TFG bought them, I'd hardly classify that as recent success would you? 'win more trophies' yup like the league they win three times, once in the 40s, once in 84, and once in 2000. Massive recent success....

But continue sh*tsirring about their motives based on absolutely nothing in their entire business history which supports it, and in fact being quite literally contradicted by their actions at Roma. Which in many ways has a lot of parallels with Everton, a club which should be competing at the top, which has s rich sporting history, which has been historically the side which has spent most years in the top division, which was in financial trouble and which needed a new ground to be able to push upwards.

Well my take on owners is that they should be out of the frame and remain silent and hand their cash over.

On the first aspect they've been too remote: not even a 'nice to meet you' video message. On the second aspect they haven't done anything.

All I'm doing here is saying out loud what a lot of people are thinking concerning TFG.