New captain please Marco !

[wandyr79]

Why is it that people think that screaming in a refs face shows leadership. He got sent off, it was a bad decision but what would screaming in the refs face do exactly. Would the ref change his mind, would it affect future decisions in our favour, if it was the person not sent off would it risk an unnecessary card? I would say that the most likely answers to them are no, no & yes.

I personally think refs should get more card happy with people screaming at them, regardless of captaincy. I will always back any initiative to make the respect towards refs more like rugby. They tried to enforce the 'only captains allowed to talk to the ref' rule and it failed miserably because you cannot control 6/7 children throwing a tantrum (leave that for the fans ).

The players showed us the best way to respond by getting on with it and playing good enough football to come away with a draw and actually end up feeling a bit down that the win did not come.

All this 'coward' talk is just pathetic.

 

[Nymzee]

Why is it that people think that screaming in a refs face shows leadership. He got sent off, it was a bad decision but what would screaming in the refs face do exactly. Would the ref change his mind, would it affect future decisions in our favour, if it was the person not sent off would it risk an unnecessary card? I would say that the most likely answers to them are no, no & yes.

I personally think refs should get more card happy with people screaming at them, regardless of captaincy. I will always back any initiative to make the respect towards refs more like rugby. They tried to enforce the 'only captains allowed to talk to the ref' rule and it failed miserably because you cannot control 6/7 children throwing a tantrum (leave that for the fans ).

The players showed us the best way to respond by getting on with it and playing good enough football to come away with a draw and actually end up feeling a bit down that the win did not come.

All this 'coward' talk is just pathetic.

If you put doubt in a ref’s mind over a decision they may be more inclined to try even it out a little later on. Quite clear this happens fairly often.

 

[wandyr79]

If you put doubt in a ref’s mind over a decision they may be more inclined to try even it out a little later on. Quite clear this happens fairly often.

Maybe so, but there are different ways to put doubt into a refs mind. People saying Jags is a coward for not screaming at shouting at people is pathetic.

As I said, if the refs want more respect then they have to stamp down on displays of disrespect and I am fully on board with that way of thinking.

For me Jagielka was (is) a good captain and great servant to the club and I think that Coleman will be a similar captain in that decisions will be accepted but challenged in the right way.

 

[Rabscallion]

Seems to be getting stuck in here.

 

[b-rad]

of course, but having the armband gives you more influence with the ref,otherwise he can just tell you to go away whilst he speaks to the 2 captains, happens every single game

big decisions ( team decisions ) always come down to the captain as well ( pens etc ) all of which jags has no authority at all, the way he took his red card on Saturday was pathetic, not one ounce of a back bone, he came out and said he won the ball after it why not make that point to the ref

Do you honestly think a strong captain (with back bone) is going to make a referee change his decision after he's shown the red card?

What difference can shouting in his face and telling him he's won the ball make? The ref has already shown the card. In that case Jagielka just accepts that the referee has shown him a card and he's not daft enough to waste his energy chasing and arguing with the ref, potentially risking getting an increased ban.

Now, he's not a great leader on the pitch, but having a go at the man for not throwing a tantrum at being sent off is a stretch.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Do you honestly think a strong captain (with back bone) is going to make a referee change his decision after he's shown the red card?

What difference can shouting in his face and telling him he's won the ball make? The ref has already shown the card. In that case Jagielka just accepts that the referee has shown him a card and he's not daft enough to waste his energy chasing and arguing with the ref, potentially risking getting an increased ban.

Now, he's not a great leader on the pitch, but having a go at the man for not throwing a tantrum at being sent off is a stretch.

it wouldn't have changed anything, but standing up for what you believe in, making your point not just walking off like a good little pet

I like jags, but he is a woeful captain. he's embarassing

 

[StateSideToffee]

This line of conversation is daft. I’m embarrassed by the fans saying they want their club captain to scream and get in the face of refs and opposition players that have somehow wronged Everton during the match.

Football teaches children how to live life. How to respond to conflict and handle hardship, and they model themselves after their idols, otherwise known as club captains and talisman and such.

How these individuals behave on and off the pitch makes a tremendous impact on how children develop into adulthood, as mimicked behaviors become habitual.

This is a large part of what is wrong with American egg ball, and a major attracting factor to football and specifically the premier league; with it’s numerous exceptional role models.

Jagielka understands this and has been a model pro, and captain. I agree that Seamus is in a perfect spot to take over this role at this point especially given his work with EITC, and Jagielka’s decline in skill set.

However; to suggest Jagielka has been a poor captain is ridiculous, and if you feel this way; you need to have a word with yourself and really think about the impact football has and what about the sport is really important.

 

[wandyr79]

it wouldn't have changed anything, but standing up for what you believe in, making your point not just walking off like a good little pet

I like jags, but he is a woeful captain. he's embarassing

So every rugby player in history is wrong for accepting the refs decision and walking off, you now and again see a little questioning but in the end it is done with respect. Try saying a 6'7" second row that they are embarrassing or a coward for not shouting at a ref

I actually respect Jagielka for not making a scene and not getting everybody wound up, maybe it kept their mind in the game rather than getting angry and taking their eye off the ball (apart from Pickford taking a step to the right for the free kick ). As an added note, you do not know what was said in the dressing room by Jagielka, there may well have been a rallying cry that got the players up and ready to get something from the game, in the second half.

The words 'coward' & 'embarrassing' are way over the top.

 

[wandyr79]

This line of conversation is daft. I’m embarrassed by the fans saying they want their club captain to scream and get in the face of refs and opposition players that have somehow wronged Everton during the match.

Football teaches children how to live life. How to respond to conflict and handle hardship, and they model themselves after their idols, otherwise known as club captains and talisman and such.

How these individuals behave on and off the pitch makes a tremendous impact on how children develop into adulthood, as mimicked behaviors become habitual.

This is a large part of what is wrong with American egg ball, and a major attracting factor to football and specifically the premier league; with it’s numerous exceptional role models.

Jagielka understands this and has been a model pro, and captain. I agree that Seamus is in a perfect spot to take over this role at this point especially given his work with EITC, and Jagielka’s decline in skill set.

However; to suggest Jagielka has been a poor captain is ridiculous, and if you feel this way; you need to have a word with yourself and really think about the impact football has and what about the sport is really important.

Well said, agree 100%.

I know for a fact that Coleman would be exactly the same, maybe a bit more shouty towards his team mates but all in all he plays the game with respect.

 

[Leeboy1974]

Coleman for captain

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Why is it that people think that screaming in a refs face shows leadership. He got sent off, it was a bad decision but what would screaming in the refs face do exactly. Would the ref change his mind, would it affect future decisions in our favour, if it was the person not sent off would it risk an unnecessary card? I would say that the most likely answers to them are no, no & yes.

I personally think refs should get more card happy with people screaming at them, regardless of captaincy. I will always back any initiative to make the respect towards refs more like rugby. They tried to enforce the 'only captains allowed to talk to the ref' rule and it failed miserably because you cannot control 6/7 children throwing a tantrum (leave that for the fans ).

The players showed us the best way to respond by getting on with it and playing good enough football to come away with a draw and actually end up feeling a bit down that the win did not come.

All this 'coward' talk is just pathetic.

Because something something passion. And because Gerrard did it. Jagielka might not be gobby but I'd rather have him than Ashley Williams screaming and making a tit of himself and fighting players. Dave Watson was my first captain and he managed to be a good leader without shouting at the ref and acting like an angry child.

Coleman is the obvious choice for backup because of his experience captaining Ireland, he's quite level-headed and sensible, he's done a fair bit for EITC, and he's been with the club long enough. And I love him

ETA: and no, he wouldn't shout in refs' faces either. Jags did not deserve to be sent off but getting up in the ref's face wouldn't have worked. Then again, there are people on here who blame Jags for somehow not magically saving Niasse from Koeman's bullying. As if Koeman gave a toss about what Jags, or indeed any of the squad, thought.

 

[stamullenblue]

Give it to Seamus forever. Jags to nice and not vocal enough !

 

[goodisonopheliac]

And what makes you think Coleman would shout at a referee?

Jagielka's been captain under every manager since Moyes. If he's so useless, why didn't Barry or Rooney or whoever permanently get the job?

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

And what makes you think Coleman would shout at a referee?

Jagielka's been captain under every manager since Moyes. If he's so useless, why didn't Barry or Rooney or whoever permanently get the job?

He's always in the refs ear mate, and when it kicks off he's the first in there.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

And he manages not to act like a manchild about it.

I just don't get the Jags hate. We've had much worse players and not everyone can be Duncan Ferguson.