What would you liken them to, taste wise?
My 50kg weight loss challenge
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FFS Joseph. Now I have to reply and I planned on staying out of this.
There are long term studies. Liraglutide has been around for over 15 years; Semaglutide nearly 10 years.
The thyroid cancer has only ever been shown in rats in mega-huge doses - nothing remotely close to the therapeutic doses used in humans and no documented human cases.
They absolutely have side effects. Not a single medication or drug exists that doesn't. Most of the side effects are manageable with diet - ensuring proper balanced nutrition and eating smaller meals slowly. The problem is most patients don't get the appropriate education about how to reduce avoid the side effects.
Many people that have had diabetes for a long time or if it has been poorly controlled don't tolerate the GLP-1 RAs well, because GLP-1 RAs slow gastric emptying. Diabetes can do that too. The two things together can cause problems making the meds intolerable.
GLP-1 RAs have been shown to reduce some cancers, decrease risk of having an MI or stroke, help treat "fatty liver disease" among other things. I have worked with patients and been able to get them completely off insulin because of GLP-1 RAs with superb diabetes control.
For patients that need to lose significant weight, these medications can be literal lifesavers and certainly a safer option than gastric bypass.
Please don't demonize medication because it wasn't something that suited you.
This is so very important with so many meds, diabetes especially - father in law has diabetes and he had the usual meds but never tried to diet along with them, now (a few months ago) after a few more serious scares and very bad doctors results (and a holter) he's had to get on a proper nutritional diet and he was surprised how much better he feels and how much better his results are even after a month or so in.
Sorry for butting in and thanks for the much more informed info, RAF!
You absolutely HAVE to change how you eat when you start these meds to make them tolerable. It is hard because patients carrying extra weight and people with diabetes over years are constantly being told to change how/what they eat. So dietary messages related to GLP-1 RAs can get lost as background noise. Same old, same old...The person is just hearing someone AGAIN telling them to change their diet.
Right - now I will stop hijacking golden's thread and being off topic.
Best of luck to you @the golden visionary ! That is a lofty goal. Consider making smaller in-between goals toward your overall goal. It can help with motivation.
Is there somewhere else you'd like to flesh out the details of the cooperative diet and possible examples? I'm interested in details that seem to run parallel to parts of the thread.
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I lost 35kg in 9 months and I didn’t follow any diet. All I did was stop eating anything I knew was bad. Not nothing passed my lips in that time. I also massively reduced the portion sizes of what I did eat. And I went for a walk for an hour every day. No Alcohol. The weight literally fell off and I got quite used to it quite quickly. It wasn’t easy at first, not at all but a couple of months in I started to feel really good and I really enjoyed my walk when before it felt like a chore. That was all after heart attack at 48. Unfortunately I ended up putting it all back on started drinking more than I ever had and even started smoking again. What a knobhead I am. Anyway I back on it again as of 1st Jan so fingers crossed I keep going. So far so good.
I mentioned my new diet/way of life (as it'll be permanent, it wasn't unforced - thyroid problems forced me into taking better care and I am on a daily pill for... well probably life, but it's a small dose at least). I'm also rather interested and can share my 'findings' so to say.
Mate you're not a knobhead, it's not easy, just keep at it and you'll see the benefit, as you already know!
I have the "benefit" of previous problems and having the mental to quit bad things cold turkey, as you just summed up what I do with a lot less words
Stopped smoking the day Christian Eriksen died (unrelated, just how it happened) and haven't since, but as soon as I stopped I gained weight and started having side-issues I've found. Odd how the body compensates poison like that!
Good luck with the journey.
Im down 2 stone since the start of 2025, and feel so much better for it.
It will be boring in my experience. I eat the same breakfast everyday, pretty much the same dinners and teas too.
I try and get as much protein as i can with each meal. Breakfast is usaually 65g, I try to front load it.
Then meat as my protein for dinner and tea and pack them out with veg.
Im down 2 stone since the start of 2025, and feel so much better for it.
It will be boring in my experience. I eat the same breakfast everyday, pretty much the same dinners and teas too.
I try and get as much protein as i can with each meal. Breakfast is usaually 65g, I try to front load it.
Then meat as my protein for dinner and tea and pack them out with veg.
That length of period you mention is minuscule in the UK - My diabetic kidney specialist told me they are definitely easing up on them GLP1 in his clinic group drugs for diabetics - I was 15 stones no that obese - they certainly put me in hospital since reverting to Insulin a natural drug that my body is supposed to make I have no symptoms - 50 % of bad side effects is high - I got severe side effects - look 50 % of people may benefit from them good luck to them - but IMO & clinical people I talk to in the UK - early days plus the cost is still high to the NHS -
I ended up with many investigations -up & down, iron infusions I had lost that much blood from my stomach = not pleasant - 14 biopsies - not pleasant waiting for the results - every medic I saw blamed Ozempic & I was only on the lowest dose .... & it was that drug .....
For your stomach to hold food IMO is a unnatural way to lose weight - no one knows the long forecast of danger of this group of drugs if you take them for ever .....
It is good for reducing blood sugars but in my case not at the price I paid - I now also have a Free Style Libra 3 on the NHS - IMO far more beneficial on my bloods sugars as a computer I can control my input of food as it has alarms on it for high & low blood sugars & my blood sugar is the best its ever been since being prescribed- e.g. I am in total control daily naturally .... I have lost a stone in weight too.... without Ozempic my stomach & bowels are now normal ....
To add insult to injury the top nurse has been promoted IMO without reading my medical notes - nothing but a drug pusher ....
The top Diabetic renal Nurse & specialist I am with now is happy I am on the correct medicine ....
Refreshing as any fruit ....
You're welcome to start another thread. Seems like it may be needed.
This thread is for support for @the golden visionary
Many of us are taking it off topic.
She may think they are ok but their success rate in the UK without side effects I got told is only 50%- & I can verify if they suit you then fine if not get off them ....plus it is on topic as they if successful make you lose weight & someone posted that fact .... for the @the golden visionary
I hope he is successful losing his weight in any way he chooses....
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Just come across this thread- good luck. You will get into a routine and it does get easier once you see results. I only have one piece of advice. If you have a day where you feel you've ruined your plan don't just think f*** it and go back to your old ways ( been there done that more than once). Write it off as one bad day and go again. I'm rooting for you x
Good luck mate. Can't fathom losing that much weight. The discipline is beyond me.