Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
The younger ones are not good enough such as Nani, Young, Jones, Smalling
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The younger ones are not good enough such as Nani, Young, Jones, Smalling
Sorry, Jeff, you're too kind to him and/or missing several key points:
1. Moyes put the Fellaini buy-out clause in, so would have known the 'bottom line' as it were.
2. Given the controlling nature of the man, he would, most likely, have got more involved than you suggest, but let's give the benefit of the doubt there.
3. He (rightly) condemned Mark Hughes's unethical attempts to unsettle Joleon Lescott via the press. Then hypocritically did just that for Felli and Leighton Baines.
4. His snidey side-swipes about 'knowing how Everton works' and 'Roberto will need to learn' were small-minded and unnecessary, but the comment about Everton holding back players' careers by fighting to keep them was outrageous and disrespectful.
5. I won't go into the tapping up by SAF or speculating on any cosy pals' arrangement, as it's unproven, but I do resent Moyes's comments about preparing Man U to win every game, and the 'knife to a gunfight' to suggest he was always under-resourced at Everton. (We all know, and a leader's job is to deliver with what he has, not cry-arse about what he thinks he should have.)
6. Then, in the run-up to Weds night, he came out with the back-handed compliment that Everton's team is so well-organised as to not need a manager. If true, how come he only voiced it now Roberto's in charge, unless that was another snidey little put-down betraying a level of churlishness that both surprises and disappoints me?
7. Finally, if reports of his comments about the Everton fans' chants at the match being a 'disgrace' are true (and I'm indifferent whether he embellished his views with fluent Anglo Saxon or not) then he needs to give his head a wobble and reflect back on cause and effect. It was his actions and comments that directly turned the same people who cheered him to the Goodison rafters when he left, despite running down his contract, the Wembley surrenders, Bucharest, Lisbon (x2), 7-1 v. Arsenal, cup debacles and the famous P. 44 w. 0 at the Sky Four.
Sorry, he deserves everything he got, except any (minority) rhyming of Moyes and little boys ('Cum on feel the Noiz') chants. I suspect, when the return fixture comes about you will find yourself in a minority, as he will get loads. And this is not because he left, nor because he wants to sign EFC players and now (must) put Utd first, it's for the reasons above. He dumped on his own legacy.
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
Great post, agree with every word!!
Best have a word with Rio Ferdinand then as he has had a sly dig at DM team selections as baffling - if he had done that while playing for EFC - DM would have abandoned him! I can not see DM keeping the UNT job as he was average with us never won a tin pot - just another Gorden Lee who imo was a better Manager than DM!
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
Rio made a good point, wonder if that did play apart on our players mind.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
4 Million quid a year whilst 'managing' expectations so he could retain that income on 'doing a fine job keeping plucky Everton up'.
I am so pleased he is being found out to be the naked emperor he really is.
A good Preston manager and respected Everton one until he disrespected us.
A disgrace of a man
I am so pleased he is being found out to be the naked emperor he really is.
A good Preston manager and respected Everton one until he disrespected us.
A disgrace of a man
Stutheblue
Player Valuation: £30m
If he's actually said what he's supposed to have and he's genuinely upset by the taunts he got then I'm surprised by that. Its been well documented in this thread what our fans see as the reasons why a lot of our fans are cheesed off with him.
For me its like when you've been with your missus for 11 years and you love her. Then in the final 12 months of your relationship she s**** all over you!! She courts another man's attentions behind your back and keeps you dangling, you put up with it in the hope she'll settle back down with you. Then she starts flirting with him openly in your face, and says she can't wait to leave you and be with him, but at the same time lives with you for another couple of months just to rub salt in it before the inevitable departure.
Then she spouts off about how much better life will be with her new love, and how whilst she loved you for what you were you were never quite fulfilling her. You're left all depressed and then you meet someone that you hit it off with and all of a sudden things are looking up. You look back at your relationship with your now ex-wife and think yeah it was good at times but this is so much better now. Then you look at her and see she's struggling in her new relationship and think its justice and you feel no sorrow for her whatsoever!
So in using that analogy, in my eyes he's nothing now. He strung us along for 12 months and that 'send off' at the West Ham game was a farce for me. He shouldn't have stayed in charge from the moment he said he wanted to take the United job. His actions and comments during the transfer window just made it worse. Further down the line its likely most Blues will acknowledge he did a good job for us, but there was a sour ending which tainted what had gone before and I don't think it'll be forgotten. He's living in cuckoo land if he can't understand why he got that reception. It'll be interesting to see if he gets a nice round of applause in the return game at Goodison. I doubt it!!
For me its like when you've been with your missus for 11 years and you love her. Then in the final 12 months of your relationship she s**** all over you!! She courts another man's attentions behind your back and keeps you dangling, you put up with it in the hope she'll settle back down with you. Then she starts flirting with him openly in your face, and says she can't wait to leave you and be with him, but at the same time lives with you for another couple of months just to rub salt in it before the inevitable departure.
Then she spouts off about how much better life will be with her new love, and how whilst she loved you for what you were you were never quite fulfilling her. You're left all depressed and then you meet someone that you hit it off with and all of a sudden things are looking up. You look back at your relationship with your now ex-wife and think yeah it was good at times but this is so much better now. Then you look at her and see she's struggling in her new relationship and think its justice and you feel no sorrow for her whatsoever!
So in using that analogy, in my eyes he's nothing now. He strung us along for 12 months and that 'send off' at the West Ham game was a farce for me. He shouldn't have stayed in charge from the moment he said he wanted to take the United job. His actions and comments during the transfer window just made it worse. Further down the line its likely most Blues will acknowledge he did a good job for us, but there was a sour ending which tainted what had gone before and I don't think it'll be forgotten. He's living in cuckoo land if he can't understand why he got that reception. It'll be interesting to see if he gets a nice round of applause in the return game at Goodison. I doubt it!!
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
Well...now he's one down to Newcastle...... he's out of his depth. Bet he wishes he'd signed a new deal at Everton while he was still mates with Bill.....
Say he had of gone around March when he had the job, would we have gotten Martinez to leave Wigan at that stage?
this all day long. the luckiest day of moyes life was when he was made manager of the greatest club in the world - Everton Football Club.
He's only at Manure because of us.
Blackwatch1878
Player Valuation: £950k
Moyes's problem is not that people are comparing him to Alex Ferguson.
Every Manc fan knows that Fergie was a freak, a one off, the likes of whom will never darken the door of their or anyone else's club ever again.
This bad patch could even have been spun to portray Moyes as a victim of circumstances....an ageing team needing rebuilt and an inexperienced CEO showing signs of green-ness in the transfer window.
Which is exactly what the OT spin doctors were doing back in September.....Woodward was left with the opprobrium after the last day fiasco.
No....the problem for Moyes is that he is being compared tp Roberto Martinez......whom has turned his hoofball merchants into a genuine contender for a CL place in a couple of months and outwitted him with tactical nous the other night, and not for the first team.
Moyes's whole reputation was based on the fact that he "worked miracles" on a shoestring and "taken plucky little Everton" as far as any under resourced manager could ever hope to.
Moyes's world has been turned upside down not by what is happening in Manchester.....but by what is happening here in Liverpool.
Every Manc fan knows that Fergie was a freak, a one off, the likes of whom will never darken the door of their or anyone else's club ever again.
This bad patch could even have been spun to portray Moyes as a victim of circumstances....an ageing team needing rebuilt and an inexperienced CEO showing signs of green-ness in the transfer window.
Which is exactly what the OT spin doctors were doing back in September.....Woodward was left with the opprobrium after the last day fiasco.
No....the problem for Moyes is that he is being compared tp Roberto Martinez......whom has turned his hoofball merchants into a genuine contender for a CL place in a couple of months and outwitted him with tactical nous the other night, and not for the first team.
Moyes's whole reputation was based on the fact that he "worked miracles" on a shoestring and "taken plucky little Everton" as far as any under resourced manager could ever hope to.
Moyes's world has been turned upside down not by what is happening in Manchester.....but by what is happening here in Liverpool.
great post
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