Moyes - what ya want?

[LinekersLegs]

Nah, I dont want to influence everyone else. You dont realise but theres loads of people just waiting to see what I vote for to copy. Im kind of an influencer. I just don't get free stuff for it. It has nothing to do with me avoiding future bookmarking pipe downs...

The people who think he should see out his contract though, what they're saying is give a man who'd have months on his contract another massive summer of spending. Then, wed be in a position of instability most of next season and forced for contract renewal or change. I dont think that works.

Hes either the right man, in which give him a contract renewal. Or he isnt and we can get better, in which case leg him in the summer.

I’m in the “let him see out his contract” camp and fwiw here is my reasoning.

Basically I think we need to learn to walk before we can run. After so many years being a basket case of a club, stumbling along fighting relegation and mismanaged finances, I believe we need to demonstrate a couple of years of stability before we can attract the type of manager who can build us up to a position where we can be competitive for the higher league spots and champions league.

Moyes is unlikely to be the manager to get to those positions, too defensive a playing approach, but he has shown in the past to be able to build up a decent overall squad and it is possible he might even get us a cup run next year. Whilst I get frustrated by several elements in his management style I feel the improvement in our general performance to be undeniable and I’m enjoying looking at the top half of the table rather than the bottom.

I think another year of “mid table mediocrity” would be a better position from which to progress from and look for the longer term manager.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I’m in the “let him see out his contract” camp and fwiw here is my reasoning.

Basically I think we need to learn to walk before we can run. After so many years being a basket case of a club, stumbling along fighting relegation and mismanaged finances, I believe we need to demonstrate a couple of years of stability before we can attract the type of manager who can build us up to a position where we can be competitive for the higher league spots and champions league.

Moyes is unlikely to be the manager to get to those positions, too defensive a playing approach, but he has shown in the past to be able to build up a decent overall squad and it is possible he might even get us a cup run next year. Whilst I get frustrated by several elements in his management style I feel the improvement in our general performance to be undeniable and I’m enjoying looking at the top half of the table rather than the bottom.

I hear that, but if 8th/money to spend/new owners isn't good enough to attract that type of manager you think, then what will? What type of manager could we attract, if we give Moyes another year? What are we expecting?

Do i think we'll be any higher than 8th, or any worse than 12th this time next year? Nope.

I also don't think seeing out contracts works - players are human, and % drop around uncertainty/summer moves. McNeil bottling 50/50s just before the window shut?!

I suspect we're scoring less, and winning less this season under Moyes than last season.

 

[Efcjake]

You’re in here constantly and banging the drum for Moyes

I prefer to think of it as providing a rational voice of sanity in the face of a baying mob crying out for blood.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I prefer to think of it as providing a rational voice of sanity in the face of a baying mob crying out for blood.

Even at 1:20am on a Saturday morning. Thank heavens for normal blues like you, keeping us forum dwellers in line at all hours.

 

[brittcop1]

See how he goes with more recruitment in the summer then if it doesn’t go well move him to club ambassador.

How about the toffee lady?

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who want moyes head for taking us from almost certain relegation to challenging for Europe within 12 months (and only 1 transfer window where weve actually spent money).

Are the same people who wouldn't hear a bad word abouts dyche. A manager who was statistically our worst ever manager, played the worst football ive ever seen, constantly belittled the club, insulted the fans and would of almost certainly relegated the club.

Back then it was "he needs more time" or "look at the squad he has to work with" or "who else will keep us up".

But with moyes itll never be good enough. We could finish 5th and it would be "why didnt we get champions league", we could get CL and it would be "why didnt we challenge for the league".

I honestly think there posters on here who if moyes won the league, theyd be crying about how we should of done the treble... and im only half joking there.

Cant speak for anyone else but me wanting Moyes gone in the summer has NOTHING to do with Dyche, Benitez, Lampard etc. Moyes is a better manager than all of them and has stabilized us. I jist dont think he has the track record to suggest he will achieve much more than he has done.

 

[Seathestars]

I’m in the “let him see out his contract” camp and fwiw here is my reasoning.

Basically I think we need to learn to walk before we can run. After so many years being a basket case of a club, stumbling along fighting relegation and mismanaged finances, I believe we need to demonstrate a couple of years of stability before we can attract the type of manager who can build us up to a position where we can be competitive for the higher league spots and champions league.

Moyes is unlikely to be the manager to get to those positions, too defensive a playing approach, but he has shown in the past to be able to build up a decent overall squad and it is possible he might even get us a cup run next year. Whilst I get frustrated by several elements in his management style I feel the improvement in our general performance to be undeniable and I’m enjoying looking at the top half of the table rather than the bottom.

I think another year of “mid table mediocrity” would be a better position from which to progress from and look for the longer term manager.

This for me.
I would add that I don't want us to qualify for Europe next season, we are not equipped.
That's not lack of ambition, that's to give us time to build a squad of decent players.
Now the season after next I would love us to be in Europe if we continue to get players in.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I hear that, but if 8th/money to spend/new owners isn't good enough to attract that type of manager you think, then what will? What type of manager could we attract, if we give Moyes another year? What are we expecting?

Do i think we'll be any higher than 8th, or any worse than 12th this time next year? Nope.

I also don't think seeing out contracts works - players are human, and % drop around uncertainty/summer moves. McNeil bottling 50/50s just before the window shut?!

I suspect we're scoring less, and winning less this season under Moyes than last season.

As for the first part I think it would be another year of squad improvement (for the love of all that is holy at least one RB ).

We had an awful squad that needed lots of change and I don’t think that possible over just a couple of windows. Obviously there have been a few misfires in this years recruitment but I do think it a step up from the past (eg KDH) and I believe Moyes has improved some of the existing squad (Garner being the obvious example).

I agree there is a worry about drop off when seeing out contracts, I guess I’m just more worried about getting into a Notts Forest cycle of revolving managers!

 

[DayL08]

You can’t have a manager that goes into the last year of his contract. You either have to sack him or give him a new contract in the Summer

If you think he can get you a trophy in the next 3 years then give him a contract, if you don’t then you bin him.

I don’t think he will so I would thank him and move on. Yes, it’ll be a risk but if we aren’t trying to win a trophy what are we as a club. It’s been far too long

 

[Rita_Poon]

I suspect we're scoring less, and winning less this season under Moyes than last season.

We have significantly down graded our forward line, specifically Cal-Lewin, who was a huge influence defensively for us in marking the front post for corners and FK's. That some of our core play is still knocking it long looking for a knock down is split personality stuff as neither Beto nor Barry are prepared to knock a few about a bit and get into a wrestling match.
The forward situation is compounded by our high profile loan missing half a season. We're fortunate the signing of the season is back and fit though (D-Hall).

I'm not sure another new manager with last years signings and then this summers signings is the stability we all hope it'll be.

I get the idea that some of the support wanted us to bounce from fighting away from the relegation places straight into the top four.

Have we been away from the foot of the table that long for us to be complacent? 'cos I see us as a side closer to the bottom third than the top third. To add, I'd take the all round improvement from last summer repeated in compound effect this summer. That'd move us on substantially.

Pickford
Coleman J O'B Branthwaite Baines
Ndiaye Garner Anderson D-Hall Grealish
Delap
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Bit of a fantasy eleven really, there's no time machine to get the two full backs in their prime, we've no chance of getting Anderson out of forest, Grealish aint recovered yet, and Delap will have another year partying in the capital before he decides on doing something with his career.
Whichever way you boil it down, 5 additions needed or 4 with a repeat loan.

Would we have Carlo back? One final contract, throw some money about? Other sides have suffered significantly with the never ending resets and start overs.

It aint sexy, it aint a lot of fun, but steady improvement and better foundations are what we need. For now, Moyes in.

 

[Neiler]

I’d offer him a new contract personally maybe another three years if he’d take it.

But also feel if the club aren’t going to offer him a new deal, from his and clubs point of view he needs to leave in the summer - a manager going into the last year of contract position becomes untenable and you loose authority, we saw that with Dyche. I see it now at Palace.

This club is to scrutinised and big for that not to happen.

 

[Dymak]

I think managers make a massive difference, and I don't subscribe to the slowly but surely approach, not least because appointing the wrong manager following such stability will see that stability evaporate in a matter of months and you will be back to needing a new manager and having a period of instability before you know it.

At present, I think Moyes should be kept on to fulfil his contract, which is only one more season. I don't think he's done crap enough to bin him off yet.

And we really, really, need to consider the credentials of his replacement. Some of the names mentioned have achieved SOD ALL and wouldn't be able to handle Everton at all. Some of the names mentioned are quite simply inferior to Moyes. West Ham binned off Moyes for Lopetegui, who was considered an upgrade, then they ended up with Graham bloody Potter, who had somehow blagged himself into the Chelsea job having achieved absolutely nothing.

So unless the alternative is a clear upgrade on Moyes, and not some hyped up bellend, then I think we should stick with Moyes until his contract ends at least.

 

[Drico]

You’re in here constantly and banging the drum for Moyes

To be fair, he didn't claim to be normal.

 

[brittcop1]

Fair

We have significantly down graded our forward line, specifically Cal-Lewin, who was a huge influence defensively for us in marking the front post for corners and FK's. That some of our core play is still knocking it long looking for a knock down is split personality stuff as neither Beto nor Barry are prepared to knock a few about a bit and get into a wrestling match.
The forward situation is compounded by our high profile loan missing half a season. We're fortunate the signing of the season is back and fit though (D-Hall).

I'm not sure another new manager with last years signings and then this summers signings is the stability we all hope it'll be.

I get the idea that some of the support wanted us to bounce from fighting away from the relegation places straight into the top four.

Have we been away from the foot of the table that long for us to be complacent? 'cos I see us as a side closer to the bottom third than the top third. To add, I'd take the all round improvement from last summer repeated in compound effect this summer. That'd move us on substantially.

Pickford
Coleman J O'B Branthwaite Baines
Ndiaye Garner Anderson D-Hall Grealish
Delap
​

Bit of a fantasy eleven really, there's no time machine to get the two full backs in their prime, we've no chance of getting Anderson out of forest, Grealish aint recovered yet, and Delap will have another year partying in the capital before he decides on doing something with his career.
Whichever way you boil it down, 5 additions needed or 4 with a repeat loan.

Would we have Carlo back? One final contract, throw some money about? Other sides have suffered significantly with the never ending resets and start overs.

It aint sexy, it aint a lot of fun, but steady improvement and better foundations are what we need. For now, Moyes in.

Fair enough on your opinion. Im not quite sure why now everyone is leaning into " look whats happened to Spurs and Forrest"....firstly both fans have enjoyed re ent success and are currently watching their team in Europe. More importantly, cpmparing these teams to ours because we may change managers is apples and oranges. Our management is different, our fanbase is differnt, expectations, history etc. No doubt Moyes is safe, but some of us live for a little excitement@

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I suspect we're scoring less, and winning less this season under Moyes than last season.

We have significantly down graded our forward line, specifically Cal-Lewin, who was a huge influence defensively for us in marking the front post for corners and FK's.

Wow, imagine if last summer someone would have said if our recruitment team/Moyes - optionally allowed Calvert-Lewin, Doucoure and Harrison to leave, then spend a club record amount in the summer, only to significantly downgrade our forward line?!

Imagine that? Grealish doesn't improve on Harrison, Dewsbury-Hall on Doucoure, Dibling/George on Lindstom or Beto/Barry, two players we preferred to retaining Calvert-Lewin. Calvert-Lewin, who scored 1 Premier League goal for Everton under David Moyes.

Jeez, If you think the reason we're scoring less and winning less under Moyes this season, vs last is because we significantly downgraded our forward line - then I'm sure you wouldn't want the same manager in charge of recruitment again.

I don't think it's that at all, I think this team is loads better, managed by a more capable manager - but after 26 league games, we've scored 1 more this season, than we did in Dyches full season in the points deduction season. Scoring goals is still a massive issue for us. Only 2 teams outside the bottom 3 have scored less than us.

I’m in the “let him see out his contract” camp and fwiw here is my reasoning.

Basically I think we need to learn to walk before we can run. After so many years being a basket case of a club, stumbling along fighting relegation and mismanaged finances, I believe we need to demonstrate a couple of years of stability before we can attract the type of manager who can build us up to a position where we can be competitive for the higher league spots and champions league.

Moyes is unlikely to be the manager to get to those positions, too defensive a playing approach, but he has shown in the past to be able to build up a decent overall squad and it is possible he might even get us a cup run next year. Whilst I get frustrated by several elements in his management style I feel the improvement in our general performance to be undeniable and I’m enjoying looking at the top half of the table rather than the bottom.

I think another year of “mid table mediocrity” would be a better position from which to progress from and look for the longer term manager.

I do get it, there's a reason our shortlist in recent years has been atrocious, from Benitez, Lampard, Dyche - these arent managers we would have wanted.

But your core point there is another year gives us a better calibre of manager shortlist - I'm not sure that it does. I think new owners, new stadium, and some stability already had us shopping in the same shop, we'd be in next season.

 

[Runub]

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