Ashtonian
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Delia is a terrible manager choice that pretty moves proves that anyone can take over celtic and win the league there.
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More attacking than a Moyes team, 1000%. Just look at their results from last year to see that they usually score more than one, and had only about 5 games where they didn't score a goal all season. They were solid in defence and going forward, whereas with Moyes it's one or the other most the time, save for a few years ago when we were finishing 5th with him, where we displayed a similar thing, and even then we'd sit back and defend after we score, even if it was a goal in the first 5 minutes.
I'm not his biggest fan, nor am I one of his haters through everything, but the comparison is just not there to be had.
In a lot of Moyes' tenure with us, for me, getting excited about going the game, was like having to get out of bed when you felt really ill.
SpurtingLesbian
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Delia is just symptomatic of the Horses for courses outlook of the Celtic Board.
When Rangers died a few years back Celtic massively cut their budget across the board, they saw it was pointless spending the money to beat Rangers if Rangers weren't there in the first place. They used the opportunity to cut back and reduce their debt in quite a sensible manner. They were guaranteed European Money regardless and haven't been that bothered about results because as you point out 'anyone can win the league there'
Now that Rangers are on the verge of returning to the SPL, they are in the process of ramping up the spending again and spending a bit more on the better players needed. In short they'll be looking for a proper manager again.
Ashtonian
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Never looked at it that way before. Quite smart!
Saint Domingo
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I don't doubt Koeman is a good manager but I think a lot of the good things at that Southampton side were put in place by Pochettino. They're virtually playing the same way, strong in defence and good on the counter and pressurising. As they showed v us though, if you let them have the ball they struggle to break teams down. We're knocking Moyes again but is Koeman going to come fifth? No.
For me real attacking football is played only by City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Stoke, Bournemouth, Swansea and at times us. Clearly the teams do it to different degrees of effectiveness and it may not always be attractive football, but what all the teams above do is start games thinking 'we are going to get on the ball, attack, and score goals'. This for me is the mindset of attacking football teams.
Liverpool, Spurs, Southampton, Leicester, Palace all think 'we will pressure the opposition into a mistake and then hit on the counter'. It can be effective, it can even be attractive, but for me that is not attacking football, it is a completely different mindset where you are reliant on the opposition making mistakes and have no real idea how to break down a side under your own initiative. At times I feel we play this way too especially some of our counterattacking performances. We'll labour for 60 mins in possession, then give the ball up completely but win on the counter. Great that we've won, great to score, but is this attacking football? It's a failure of attacking football and going for a different tack.
Then you have the rest of the teams in the league like Newcastle, WBA Sunderland etc. Who are so poor they just hold on for survival and look for set pieces.
I'm sure Davek will argue that Moyes just perfected the third category on this list. But I'd say that when he put out midfielder of Arteta, Pienaar Osman, Cahill with Baines and Coleman and a striker like Yakubu, we went out to get on the ball and play. When we did it well we convincingly and consistently beat teams at home. Our problem was we weren't good enough to do this to sides like Arsenal or Liverpool. For me though this undoubtedly was 'attacking football' the attractiveness and effectiveness of it varies dramatically over the 11 years but I never felt we abandoned that idea of getting on the front foot and trying to play.
Martinez has had more standout wins in big games because we've gone out at home actively looking not to have the ball and play on the counter. Sometimes it's worked sometimes it hasn't, but how is this attacking football? It's reactive and on the back foot regardless of whether it's effective or attractive. It is why we sometimes struggle to break teams down because we have not yet mastered playing on the front foot initiating the play. We are getting better though.
So for me Moyes played attacking football and Koeman plays a more counterattacking reactive brand. Martinez I believe is trying to mix both and have the best of both worlds and there are signs he is beginning to crack it but we just need to get a bit better.
Deila does well in the league considering Lennon never had to deal with a rejuvanted Aberdeen
Unfortunately he does terrible in Europe, where Lennon exceeded expectations on more than one occasion
Europe is the barometer upon which a Celtic manager is judged, fairly or not
Her cakes are boss though.
davek
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My mind goes back to the summer of 2013 when he hung around at Finch Farm before taking the reins up at Old Trafford. He was delaying his departure in order to get everything into place for his successor...and to help with advice on who that successor should be.
How utterly laughable that all sounds now. A duffer of a manager presuming he could be king maker for any club when he would eventually prove he couldn't even hack it in his own jobs.
The nerve of him back then, lording it over the club he'd left behind, still rankles.
How utterly laughable that all sounds now. A duffer of a manager presuming he could be king maker for any club when he would eventually prove he couldn't even hack it in his own jobs.
The nerve of him back then, lording it over the club he'd left behind, still rankles.
It does nothing positive to dwell on it Dave
Best to move on
I know I say this to you not 5 seconds after lamenting us not signing Virgil Van Dijk, but do as I say and not what I do
The Cowboy
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Rather mad that an investor didn't see the perfect opportunity to buy a Scottish prem club when Rangers disappeared. A modest investment could've seen a side overtake Celtic and have them as a settled top side by the time Rangers eventually return to the top flight. Instead nothing has changed and Celtic have sleepwalked through the past few seasons.
davek
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The thing that galls me still (and why I dont understand any defence of him) is the memory of the way the feller could appear moved on a lap of Goodison at the end of that final season, and then a few weeks later do the equivalent of taking down his kecks and dump all over the club he'd been 'honoured' to manage.
He knows what he did. He's never addressed that stab in the back since it happened and that leads me to think he believes it was (and still is) ok to have done it.
If he ever grows a pair, clears his throat and makes an apology over that humiliation he tried to mete out then maybe there's a way for attitudes to change toward him. I dont see it happening though.
If he goes to MLS then any respect I still have for him will pretty much disappear, it would clearly show he has no real ambition left and is only interested in money now.
Moyes still has plenty to offer and would do a good job with most Premier League clubs. I still think him and Newcastle are a perfect fit. He'll keep them well away from relegation, won't be expected to win any silverware and the owner probably wouldn't ever bow to fan pressure to sack him. He could easily do well for himself up there or even at other clubs like a West Brom or a Norwich.
If he has any serious drive left then he'll wait around for a decent club to come calling and then set about turning them into a very good side, just like he did with us. If he sods off to the USA to manage in a league where the standard is so rubbish that European legends are made to look 25 again then for me it proves he has no stomach for a fight, a fight to restore his reputation.
Moyes still has plenty to offer and would do a good job with most Premier League clubs. I still think him and Newcastle are a perfect fit. He'll keep them well away from relegation, won't be expected to win any silverware and the owner probably wouldn't ever bow to fan pressure to sack him. He could easily do well for himself up there or even at other clubs like a West Brom or a Norwich.
If he has any serious drive left then he'll wait around for a decent club to come calling and then set about turning them into a very good side, just like he did with us. If he sods off to the USA to manage in a league where the standard is so rubbish that European legends are made to look 25 again then for me it proves he has no stomach for a fight, a fight to restore his reputation.
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