Moyes or Glasner?

[matty1878]

Moyes has done well. We won't know how well for a year or two when the success of what we spent in the summer can be better considered.

The league table gives a little serotonin kick.

The blood pressure thanks him.

But for me personally, there's no hope with him. I become apathetic. I like to dream we could win a domestic trophy, and decades of Moyes tells me he'll never win one.

different ball game the decade of moyes to now. a new manager doesn’t mean
you win a trophy

 

[GrandOldTeam]

different ball game the decade of moyes to now. a new manager doesn’t mean
you win a trophy

No.

But we've not won a trophy for 31 years and Moyes has been the Everton manager for over a third of that.

He's had a better squad in the past both here and at the likes of Man Utd than he'll ever have time to build here.

Crystal Palace don't win an FA Cup with Roy Hodgson. They won it with Glasner, who coincidentally, also won the Europa League.

 

[Swartzy]

Amorim and Frank also touted and got those jobs, should we get one of those in

We have a 'flavour of the month' loving in our fanbase..

Amorim - sacked
Potter - sacked
De Zerbi - sacked
Frank - sacked
Howe - holding on
Glasner - fallen out with all owners.

Iraola is the new Fad

That mix contains:
Brighton
Brentford
Bournemouth
Palace

The flavour of the month clubs..

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Moyes pulled us away from relegation with no new signings, he used the same squad as the previous manager and blew him out of the water

That's as much as an indictment on Dyche in all honesty as we've seen how he's failed to get a tune out of a talented squad at Forest. Anyway I've said Moyes has done well by and large but for us as a club to move forward we need a different direction and a younger manager for the next phase of our rebuild

 

[Lanolin]

Moyes has done well. We won't know how well for a year or two when the success of what we spent in the summer can be better considered.

The league table gives a little serotonin kick.

The blood pressure thanks him.

But for me personally, there's no hope with him. I become apathetic. I like to dream we could win a domestic trophy, and decades of Moyes tells me he'll never win one.

Yeah this is where I am with it too. I like Moyes, I think there are numerous scenarios where he would be the ideal man to be managing us, but I just don't feel like this is one of them anymore. We need hope and a bit of excitement, not mundane stability. For a couple of years there it felt like relegation could be the end of the road for the club, either literally or at least at the top level, and we had to do everything we possibly could to ensure that didn't happen. Now with the new owners etc, let's try and make it fun again instead of a chore where we eke out 7th and 8th placed finishes with 1-0 wins and congratulate ourselves on not being as bad as we were. If for some reason everything goes wrong and we slide down the table then obviously that's not ideal but it doesn't have to be the end of the world. We're at a point now where the upsides of not going for the safe option outweigh the downsides for me.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We have a 'flavour of the month' loving in our fanbase..

Amorim - sacked
Potter - sacked
De Zerbi - sacked
Frank - sacked
Howe - holding on
Glasner - fallen out with all owners.

Iraola is the new Fad

That mix contains:
Brighton
Brentford
Bournemouth
Palace

The flavour of the month clubs..

There's always flavour of the months, but equally, managers will always fail at the end.

Moyes pulled us away from relegation with no new signings, he used the same squad as the previous manager and blew him out of the water

He's done well so far.

Not so sure on drumming up relegation angle personally - the bottom 3 proved so poor, it turned out Moyes needed just 8 points from 19 games to see us safe. Couple of results on the back of new manager bounce, and an awful bottom 3 completely eased the pressure and we didn't look back. Credit to him, I'm just not sure on relegation talk when we've earned the points to be 20+ points clear the past few seasons and closer to europe than relegation.

Now in his full season, there margins are slim. We're still, awful at home and we're not scoring enough goals. Despite spending, we're still deploying %, pragmatic football. How many games this season have we felt we've played well and deserved the win? Less than we actually have, that's for sure. You've compared the previous manager, we've scored just 1 more league goal after 26 league games vs Dyche's full season after 26 games.Take 10 points off now as we had that same Dyche full season season, and we'd be sat 17th and 1 result from relegation - and the pressure which comes with that. I digress.

If we finish in Europe, tremendous.
If we finish top half, it's what I expected - progress based on 12th and 13th the last 2 seasons.
If we finish bottom half, I'll be disappointed.

The margins between the above is likely just 2/3 results, and you shouldn't really be making big calls based on that.

If a manager is the right manager, you shouldn't change it on such fine margins.

For me, Moyes leaves me apathetic because, I don't think we'd ever win a trophy with him.

I'd love nothing more than to cry one in and him win us one next season - I'd want him to win a trophy for Everton more than any other, but his knife to a gunfight will always come to the fore when it really counts.

 

[matty1878]

No.

But we've not won a trophy for 31 years and Moyes has been the Everton manager for over a third of that.

He's had a better squad in the past both here and at the likes of Man Utd than he'll ever have time to build here.

Crystal Palace don't win an FA Cup with Roy Hodgson. They won it with Glasner, who coincidentally, also won the Europa League.

ah so if we +glasner+ to everton

we win a trophy?

doesn’t work that way mate

i’m not saying keep moyes forever

but i would keep him till we can be attractive again

 

[GrandOldTeam]

ah so if we +glasner+ to everton

we win a trophy?

doesn’t work that way mate

i’m not saying keep moyes forever

but i would keep him till we can be attractive again

Nobody knows the future.

But history is a good indicator.

Perhaps there's a reason that Glasner has won 2 trophies of a higher level than Moyes ever has. Or maybe he just fluked it.

Not many clubs in football without a trophy in 3 decades would bring back the manager who was there for over a third of it for their most important rebuild.

As I say, it comes down to hope. I had it in spades under Ancelotti an that didn't quite work out, Anfield derby aside.

But Ancelotti over 10 years wins trophies.

 

[Everton1654]

Glasner a winner, Moyes isn't

 

[pfim]

ah so if we +glasner+ to everton

we win a trophy?

doesn’t work that way mate

i’m not saying keep moyes forever

but i would keep him till we can be attractive again

We'll be attractive this summer, with a squad full of younger players and more money to spend.

I don't think Glasner is the guy, he burns bridges everywhere he goes. He should have been fired the minute he told the chairman he wasn't sticking around.

I don't think Moyes is either, but happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Swartzy]

Nobody knows the future.

But history is a good indicator.

Perhaps there's a reason that Glasner has won 2 trophies of a higher level than Moyes ever has. Or maybe he just fluked it.

Not many clubs in football without a trophy in 3 decades would bring back the manager who was there for over a third of it for their most important rebuild.

As I say, it comes down to hope. I had it in spades under Ancelotti an that didn't quite work out, Anfield derby aside.

But Ancelotti over 10 years wins trophies.

You only have either 4 or 16 months to wait.

That is a bleeding long wait on here though..

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Glasner an unknown quantity? Are you serious? A man touted for big jobs like Man Utd and Tottenham is an unknown quantity?

So Graham Potter. He's an unknown quantity at our club. Whereas Moyes has succeeded with us before and is doing so again. Glasner would be a massive risk for very little upside given the main thing holding us back at the moment is the players.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You only have either 4 or 16 months to wait.

That is a bleeding long wait on here though..

I think Moyes should get a new contract this summer if they continue with him.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

No.

But we've not won a trophy for 31 years and Moyes has been the Everton manager for over a third of that.

He's had a better squad in the past both here and at the likes of Man Utd than he'll ever have time to build here.

Crystal Palace don't win an FA Cup with Roy Hodgson. They won it with Glasner, who coincidentally, also won the Europa League.

Doesn't mean he'll do it here. I would never appoint a manger based on records in cup competitions. Complete foolishness to do so.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So Graham Potter. He's an unknown quantity at our club. Whereas Moyes has succeeded with us before and is doing so again. Glasner would be a massive risk for very little upside given the main thing holding us back at the moment is the players.

I must have missed all that success.

So Graham Potter. He's an unknown quantity at our club. Whereas Moyes has succeeded with us before and is doing so again. Glasner would be a massive risk for very little upside given the main thing holding us back at the moment is the players.

Chuckling at comparisons to Potter. Someone I was always massively against coming to Everton.

On Glasner;

Legacy at Wolfsburg

• His 1.87 points per game average across his spell placed him among Wolfsburg’s most effective managers historically.
• Although Wolfsburg hadn’t won a major trophy under him, he restored competitiveness and European qualification, raising expectations at the club level.

Legacy at Eintracht Frankfurt

• Europa League success is the standout milestone — arguably the most important in the club’s modern history.
• He helped re-establish Frankfurt on the European stage, proving the club could compete with elite competition despite Bundesliga inconsistency.

And at Palace, he obviously won the FA Cup.

That's success.