Moyes or Glasner?

[pfim]

This.

Need to stop looking for a silver bullet manager and just actually invest in the squad to the point where a number of managers could come in and still be successful.

If you look at Frank, Maresca, Potter etc. who was more important to their success? The manager, or the people who brought the players in?

It's clearly the people who brought the players in.

That doesn't mean these guys aren't good managers, but I think their successes are overstated. At the end, you need to decide who was more important to Palace's successes, the guy who was there for 15 months, or the people who brought in Mateta, Eze, Wharton, Guehi, Richards, Lacroix etc.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He did a bad job while overseeing their two hightest ever finishes in the Premier League (the best of which was their highest league place finish since the mid 80's)? Ok mate...........

You’re allowed to look beyond results with management.

 

[Toffeepot]

That's not true. He played a mix of his 3-4-3 and a 4-2-3-1 at Wolfsburg.

What would he play with FBs and WBs?

 

[Nyhus]

I wouldnt sack Moyes mid season for Glasner, but if Glasner was available to come in the summer - yes, probably.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

You’re allowed to look beyond results with management.

Of course you are mate, but football is a results based business. So when a manager delivers the most successful results and league position a club has experienced in more than three decades its a pretty tough sell to pretend that he did a bad job with them. You can't even make the case that he left Southampton in a bad shape because they finished 8th the season after he left. Look, it's perfectly understandable that you don't like him. He's very unlikeable, and he did a rotton job here, but all that doesn't change the fact that he objectively did a good job at Southampton.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Of course you are mate, but football is a results based business. So when a manager delivers the most successful results and league position a club has experienced in more than three decades its a pretty tough sell to pretend that he did a bad job with them. You can't even make the case that he left Southampton in a bad shape because they finished 8th the season after he left. Look, it's perfectly understandable that you don't like him. He's very unlikeable, and he did a rotton job here, but all that doesn't change the fact that he objectively did a good job at Southampton.

And it was also very easy to tell it wouldn’t translate which is what matters

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

And it was also very easy to tell it wouldn’t translate which is what matters

That's not what you said at the start of this. You said he did a bad job at Southampton. He didn't. He was clearly the wrong appointment for us and he played his part in setting us back years but facts are facts. He didn't do a "bad job" at Southampton.

 

[TheBigIguana]

That's not what you said at the start of this. You said he did a bad job at Southampton. He didn't. He was clearly the wrong appointment for us and he played his part in setting us back years but facts are facts. He didn't do a "bad job" at Southampton.

I said he was bad. He was bad. He’s a bad manager. His results were fine. Bad managers can have fine results with great players. It doesn’t make them good managers. He was a bad manager.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I said he was bad. He was bad. He’s a bad manager. His results were fine. Bad managers can have fine results with great players. It doesn’t make them good managers. He was a bad manager.

You said he was bad in this league at Southampton. Those where you exact words. You are wrong. He objectively wasn't bad in this league for Southampton.

 

[TheBigIguana]

You said he was bad in this league at Southampton. Those where you exact words. You are wrong. He objectively wasn't bad in this league for Southampton.

As I said multiple times now there is more to management than results

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

As I said multiple times now there is more to management than results

And you've yet to explain how he was in any way bad for Southampton. Please elaborate if you can.

 

[TheBigIguana]

And you've yet to explain how he was in any way bad for Southampton. Please elaborate if you can.

The squad turnover was awful and the underlying stats got consistently worse.

Look it has been a decade man I don’t remember the details, but I can remember someone writing a piece about how us hiring him was a bad idea and of course thinking that was complete nonsense at the time. Two years on it was sage like.

 

[bobbylatch]

Moyes 100%

 

[N0L1M1TK]

You can close this [Poor language removed] now.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Glasner is leaving Palace because he’s not happy with the level of financial support he’s getting

He’s not going to get much more here

Therefore he wouldn’t come

Therefore there’s no point to having the thread