Moyes decisions today.

[Seamus Colemole]

You know you probably just ended your own arguement with the above statement.

Moyes may not feel he is ready especially when 3 points are a must in like you say this important season.

Pretty damn near every game we play is an important one where 3 points are the aim.

Either Moyes sees him in training and he's gash so doesn't play or Moyes is way too cautious and prefers "experience" over talent so doesn't play.

This whole "oh its not the right time to play him" crap is really annoying. If managers waited till they were 3-0 up home before giving a little bit of game time to young players in order to help their integration into the team we'd never see any young players outside top teams once or twice a season.

Every time you play a young player its a risk in some way, and there are certainly times when you wouldn't take that risk. However a season is 38 games long and its in the long term interests of the club to intergrate youngsters by giving them game time. Hell it can quite as easily be in the short term interests because they could come on and take the game by storm to help us win these games.

There are always positives and negatives to playing young inexperienced players and its pretty much always a risk, but a risk that has huge potential benefits.

 

[Allezfan]

With Death on this one. Moyes just doesn't rate the lad.

He could be right not to or he could be wrong but if he rated him he'd play him.

 

[Goat]

Moyes knows best.

 

[bignev23]

Moyes goes for experienced premier league player over unproven youngster shocker.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

With Death on this one. Moyes just doesn't rate the lad.

He could be right not to or he could be wrong but if he rated him he'd play him.

I'm not saying its as simple as that. "doesn't rate him" suggest he genuinly thinks he's not good enough yet as a player so doesn't play.

Yet i think its more a case of Moyes prefers to play the experienced so called reliable core group of players he has rather than take that risk and use a young inexperienced player. Doesn't matter how talented Barkley is as a player if Moyes doesn't think he's hard working or reliable enough.

But none of us know, could be any explanation or a combination of them.

 

[Goat]

He played Rooney, Rodwell, Anchiebe, Vaughan, Gosling and others quite regular at that age, maybe its not Moyes?

 

[Brownie]

It is Moyes, it's always Moyes. It takes a lot for him to trust a player - he absolutely detests basic errors and doesn't forgive them easily. That makes it especially difficult to come in to central midfield where most of your mistakes are likely to look terrible. Barkley's prone to the odd lapse that could potentially result in an easy goal being conceded. At the same time he could do something brilliant and win you the game. Compare that to Rodwell who would never give it away but is also far less likely to do anything really positive. Moyes will always go for a Rodwell over a Barkley. There's nothing wrong with that, it's personal preference.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

It is Moyes, it's always Moyes. It takes a lot for him to trust a player - he absolutely detests basic errors and doesn't forgive them easily. That makes it especially difficult to come in to central midfield where most of your mistakes are likely to look terrible. Barkley's prone to the odd lapse that could potentially result in an easy goal being conceded. At the same time he could do something brilliant and win you the game. Compare that to Rodwell who would never give it away but is also far less likely to do anything really positive. Moyes will always go for a Rodwell over a Barkley. There's nothing wrong with that, it's personal preference.

Thats totally fair.

Moyes Everton team : incredibly hard to get into but once you do even harder to get out of.

You say Barkley is probe to a lapse that could cost a goal and Moyes hates basic error. Well his captain passed the ball to a wigan player under no pressure which saw said Wigan player get free down our right in a move that could so easily have seen us go behind. Luckily we didn't.

If Moyes is gonan be like you say i'd rather he was at least consistent and applied his rules to all players.

 

[Brownie]

Thats totally fair.

Moyes Everton team : incredibly hard to get into but once you do even harder to get out of.

You say Barkley is probe to a lapse that could cost a goal and Moyes hates basic error. Well his captain passed the ball to a wigan player under no pressure which saw said Wigan player get free down our right in a move that could so easily have seen us go behind. Luckily we didn't.

If Moyes is gonan be like you say i'd rather he was at least consistent and applied his rules to all players.

I agree mate, there is definitely a case for him treating certain players differently, usually the senior ones that he's known for a long time. Whilst it's not objectively the right thing to do, you can understand it being difficult to drop people that have done well for you for years, I think all managers find that really tough.

 

[Steve Wigan]

If the champions league places go to goal difference, which isn't out the question, and we are involved, we won't qualify.

We have the same goal difference as Spurs, they have simply scored more goals because Bale got a hat trick. Statistics a week or so ago showed that we had taken more shots than any other team in any of the top European leagues. Former Kipper readers will know that I'm not Moyes' biggest fan, but to give him stick for not giving Barkley a game is just wrong. Barkley is a young player with potential, and Moyes will protect him to make sure we get the best out of him.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I agree mate, there is definitely a case for him treating certain players differently, usually the senior ones that he's known for a long time. Whilst it's not objectively the right thing to do, you can understand it being difficult to drop people that have done well for you for years, I think all managers find that really tough.

Yeah i totally understand it even though i don't always agree with it.

Its just annoying that he seemingly has his way of doing things but isn't quite flexible enough in that when he might need to be.

 

[just_COYB]

It's not though. Barkley isn't a holding midfielder, which is the job Heitinga was given.

Not to mention that not playing his at CDM to sew up the game would have potential teams a little worried. Put JH in when he can be useful, and don't let him get pissed, and drive his price down.

 

[just_COYB]

I think Hitzlesperger did well and his shot which hit the bar was cracking. As for Neville, he had a solid game (for once).

I would love Barkley to get played every single game, however if we're under attack for the last 20 minutes, then clearly we don't need an Attacking Midfielder to get a goal - we're already 2-0 up.

That shot was good. Would've been legendary had it gone in. To me, he's very similar to Gibson, and we could do a lot worse in midfield. In fact, I think that his solid performances have made Moyes doubt the need to bring in Vadis, and another bargain could be had. I think we still need an attacking midfielder, but holding is fine with Gibbo, Felli and Osman being able to play those roles. We need depth, but Ross could start to play behind the striker soon, and IMHO, would do well with less pressure on him.

 

[Goat]

LMA Manager of the Year (3): 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09 (Joint Record)

?????

 

[ijjysmith]

*polishes 7th place trophy