Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

[bluestevon]

It means Moshiri is turning into a media whore.

Devil's advocate, Moshiri is starting to realize that everyother person at the club either trhows there head in the sand or alternatively denigrate us whenever they give an interview

Off the top of my head cannoth ever remember kenwright, Elstone etc ever comign out with anything after a defeat - the Wigan cup loss being a classic example when nothing was said for about 5 days on twitter which is ludricrous

Two of the last three managers have managed to portray us as something akin to Huddesfield Town with comments and the other manager was so far the opposite he appeared delusional

Jagielka, Neville the last two club captains have portrayed us as a club happy to be here, small club mentality from players who couldn't do any better than us, Mirallas, Lukaku both constantly looking over the fence and commenting about leaving any time a mike is stuck under there nose, Osman similarly making comments about us being small as well, which anytime you comment about being happy with 10th etc is admitting.

My hope is that Koeman qualifies us for Europe this season and he jumps ship to Arsenal, and we actually get in a manager who is capable of shutting his fat Gob and whose managerial career is on the up and who has ambition to do something with us, not to pad there CV so they can go to a BIG club

 

[davek]

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Hopefully it doesn't end up like this clown David Whyte at Rangers, this is my fear as the worst case scenario.

If not bona fide, he's more likely to be a proxy for some other person's interests than a Whyte type leverager.

 

[davek]

Didn't you want him to start communicating more? Well he is, alright it maybe the wrong way but all things considered it's probably better than releasing statements from the club that can be carefully amended by the PR department.

You're right: its the wrong way and the wrong content.

I've always advocated he sits down with Everton tv or a broadsheet and gives a full interview about what his vision is; him becoming the back end of a pantomime horse blustering about how he nearly bought £60M players and kept others because they were part of the family and letting Koeman say or do what he wants isn't what I had in mind at all.

This feller is the public image now of Everton. We dont want or need a Sam Hammam type self publicist.

 

[larbert toffee]

If not bona fide, he's more likely to be a proxy for some other person's interests than a Whyte type leverager.

Whichever way you look at it I'm still getting more uncomfortable with it all by the minute.

 

[davek]

Devil's advocate, Moshiri is starting to realize that everyother person at the club either trhows there head in the sand or alternatively denigrate us whenever they give an interview

Off the top of my head cannoth ever remember kenwright, Elstone etc ever comign out with anything after a defeat - the Wigan cup loss being a classic example when nothing was said for about 5 days on twitter which is ludricrous

Two of the last three managers have managed to portray us as something akin to Huddesfield Town with comments and the other manager was so far the opposite he appeared delusional

Jagielka, Neville the last two club captains have portrayed us as a club happy to be here, small club mentality from players who couldn't do any better than us, Mirallas, Lukaku both constantly looking over the fence and commenting about leaving any time a mike is stuck under there nose, Osman similarly making comments about us being small as well, which anytime you comment about being happy with 10th etc is admitting.

My hope is that Koeman qualifies us for Europe this season and he jumps ship to Arsenal, and we actually get in a manager who is capable of shutting his fat Gob and whose managerial career is on the up and who has ambition to do something with us, not to pad there CV so they can go to a BIG club

On Moshiri: I'd far rather his attempt to preserve Everton's status was via his wallet on squad investment than texting and phoning Jim White.

On Koeman: I agree. I just dont think he's our mentality. He looks uncomfortable here and us with him. I dont know about you, but I actually think he resents being here.

 

[davek]

Whichever way you look at it I'm still getting more uncomfortable with it all by the minute.

Me too mate.

The only thing that will stop that feeling is cash being spent. A lot of it.

 

[bluestevon]

On Moshiri: I'd far rather his attempt to preserve Everton's status was via his wallet on squad investment than texting and phoning Jim White.

On Koeman: I agree. I just dont think he's our mentality. He looks uncomfortable here and us with him. I dont know about you, but I actually think he resents being here.

Personal take on the matter, he's finding it more difficult to instill the methids he wants onto a team which was the polar opposite of the Southampton team he tok over in terms of fitness and conditioning and maybe even mentaility - Poch left the Saints in a good condition, Martinez left these lot in a bad one (not getting into a debate on that mate but the fitness and mentaility are crap)

Maybe he played a poker game with Saints hoping theyd give in to certain demands to keep the squad together (not selling players etc) maybe even backing him so he could push on for another top 6 finish and then nicelty walk into the Arsenal job if wenger leaves next summer which is a good likelihood.

His bluff failed so was left with havign to go mthe next best option in order to keep him in the running for another 'top' job he wants, maybe looked at us and thought like most of us and neutral observers did - that to turn performance around would be a easy thing - ie. not much required to turn us from 11th to EL contention etc, and on that he has misjudged it maybe

 

[davek]

Personal take on the matter, he's finding it more difficult to instill the methids he wants onto a team which was the polar opposite of the Southampton team he tok over in terms of fitness and conditioning and maybe even mentaility - Poch left the Saints in a good condition, Martinez left these lot in a bad one (not getting into a debate on that mate but the fitness and mentaility are crap)

Maybe he played a poker game with Saints hoping theyd give in to certain demands to keep the squad together (not selling players etc) maybe even backing him so he could push on for another top 6 finish and then nicelty walk into the Arsenal job if wenger leaves next summer which is a good likelihood.

His bluff failed so was left with havign to go mthe next best option in order to keep him in the running for another 'top' job he wants, maybe looked at us and thought like most of us and neutral observers did - that to turn performance around would be a easy thing - ie. not much required to turn us from 11th to EL contention etc, and on that he has misjudged it maybe

My worry is that this feller just doesn't know what he's doing.

I actually think there was an easy fix to the problems we had, they were of a disciplinary nature only.

I expected Koeman to come in and drill the back four to perfection and leave the rest pretty much 'as found', because as an attacking force we were always very good even in seasons two and three under Martinez we created and took lots of chances.

I'm shocked the way he's gone about things though: he's made a completely ham-fisted job of it. I've been banging on for weeks that though goals conceded have come right down (until the roof caved in at Chelsea) this was not on the basis of addressing the poor execution of defensive duties of the back four, it was through getting a lot of bodies behind the ball. Great, but it makes us completely unbalanced as a team as both a defensive and attacking outfit.

IMO, he's miles off any top job.

 

[bluestevon]

My worry is that this feller just doesn't know what he's doing.

I actually think there was an easy fix to the problems we had, they were of a disciplinary nature only.

I expected Koeman to come in and drill the back four to perfection and leave the rest pretty much 'as found', because as an attacking force we were always very good even in seasons two and three under Martinez we created and took lots of chances.

I'm shocked the way he's gone about things though: he's made a completely ham-fisted job of it. I've been banging on for weeks that though goals conceded have come right down (until the roof caved in at Chelsea) this was not on the basis of addressing the poor execution of defensive duties of the back four, it was through getting a lot of bodies behind the ball. Great, but it makes us completely unbalanced as a team as both a defensive and attacking outfit.

IMO, he's miles off any top job.

Not that simple Dave tbh, look over the road and it took Klopp 2/3rds of a season and then a full pre season and two transfer windows to sort them out - and honestly speaking they had more to work with when he took over the team in terms of players.

Major problems Koeman has are of his own making, a very casual attitude towards taking the job initially which looked like playing both sides off against each other - followed by a very casual attitude to starting the job, nipping back off on holiday a couple of times to top his tan off, rather than gettinjg straight into it and having a head start on things

Then a period of 'evaluating' the players here etc which no doubt set us back in bringing player sin, when t a blind man it was obvious certain players where not god enugh and never would be and that we had massive holes throught various positions in the squad.

Interesting to see how the team responds as the run up to chritmas sees us have some really massive games, and what we all saw at Chelsea if repeated again will heap massive pressur onto him and the reaction to his first bad loss doesn't auger well for how he will handle any more - derby and arsenal games come to mind

 

[davek]

Not that simple Dave tbh, look over the road and it took Klopp 2/3rds of a season and then a full pre season and two transfer windows to sort them out - and honestly speaking they had more to work with when he took over the team in terms of players.

Major problems Koeman has are of his own making, a very casual attitude towards taking the job initially which looked like playing both sides off against each other - followed by a very casual attitude to starting the job, nipping back off on holiday a couple of times to top his tan off, rather than gettinjg straight into it and having a head start on things

Then a period of 'evaluating' the players here etc which no doubt set us back in bringing player sin, when t a blind man it was obvious certain players where not god enugh and never would be and that we had massive holes throught various positions in the squad.

Interesting to see how the team responds as the run up to chritmas sees us have some really massive games, and what we all saw at Chelsea if repeated again will heap massive pressur onto him and the reaction to his first bad loss doesn't auger well for how he will handle any more - derby and arsenal games come to mind

I dont think bringing different players in will dramatically change things if he's playing the type of shallow pressing. I believe this is the way he'll prefer to play it. He sets up to address the strengths of the opposition rather than have his own style (we can call it - as it has been - "pragmatic" if we're generous).

 

[tommye]

Big Jim having a natter about Everton in a bit.


Make of that what you will.

 

[ALANSTUBBS]

Big Jim having a natter about Everton in a bit.


Make of that what you will.

Any idea what colour his tie is?

 

[ham2]

Any idea what colour his tie is?

Blue and white with moshiris face on it

 

[tommye]

Any idea what colour his tie is?

No ties on the radio. Straight from Jim himself.

 

[ianefc]

Big Jim having a natter about Everton in a bit.


Make of that what you will.

When you say Everton, do you mean Spurs?

All morning, Everton from midday, midday arrives..........Spurs