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GrandOldTeam said:
She's got a point.

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Jesus. That’s one of the worst Twitter accounts I’ve ever seen.

On point, as suspected the police didn’t act in a bubble here, there was a massive provocation prior to the original 49 second clip, which does add important context to the event.

But we have to demand the police behave better under those circumstances than a general member of the public. They have training, tools, weapons to deal with the situation.

The rats who were swinging will get what they deserve, no doubt. But we have to want coppers to not throw volleys to the head of incapacitated people, whatever the provocation.

A more controlled copper would have slapped the cuffs on him, put him in the van, and no-one would have ever heard anything about it. Instead, he’s overreacted, volleyed him one, realistically could have killed him, and probably ended his own career and maybe will face charges.

Allowing coppers to mete out justice or retribution is contrary to our, unwritten, constitution, and will end badly.
 
Amw79 said:
Jesus. That’s one of the worst Twitter accounts I’ve ever seen.

On point, as suspected the police didn’t act in a bubble here, there was a massive provocation prior to the original 49 second clip, which does add important context to the event.

But we have to demand the police behave better under those circumstances than a general member of the public. They have training, tools, weapons to deal with the situation.

The rats who were swinging will get what they deserve, no doubt. But we have to want coppers to not throw volleys to the head of incapacitated people, whatever the provocation.

A more controlled copper would have slapped the cuffs on him, put him in the van, and no-one would have ever heard anything about it. Instead, he’s overreacted, volleyed him one, realistically could have killed him, and probably ended his own career and maybe will face charges.

Allowing coppers to mete out justice or retribution is contrary to our, unwritten, constitution, and will end badly.
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Very well said.
 
Rita_Poon said:
Well, that plan went south rather quickly in this case didn't it. A potential situation was enflamed by utter belligerence on both sides, yet the side accountable to their training and experience went way above the call of duty.

'Do as we say, not as we do'. This is the core of why the police are so devastatingly hated, untrusted, and unsupported.
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It should be that both sides are accountable to the law, as you've previously said. If they had reasonable grounds to suspect a crime and followed the guidelines:

The Police Act, voted in by Parliament, means it's an offence to obstructs a constable in the execution of his duty, which does include being detained or arrested.

Also, OAPA means it's an offence to commit assault with intent to resist arrest. In that case, yes, it obliges a person to do as the constable says if it's lawful.

The two men must also be accountable for their actions, if the guidelines have been followed. Are the police to blame for being assaulted?

Suggesting otherwise is glib, at best.
 
PhilM said:
It should be that both sides are accountable to the law, as you've previously said. If they had reasonable grounds to suspect a crime and followed the guidelines:

The Police Act, voted in by Parliament, means it's an offence to obstructs a constable in the execution of his duty, which does include being detained or arrested.

Also, OAPA means it's an offence to commit assault with intent to resist arrest. In that case, yes, it obliges a person to do as the constable says if it's lawful.

The two men must also be accountable for their actions, if the guidelines have been followed. Are the police to blame for being assaulted?

Suggesting otherwise is glib, at best.
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In no way do I believe guidelines have been followed by the uniforms.
The potential civilian criminals have no guidelines except unto the law.
Obviously all individuals are accountable to the law, let's very much hope that that is the case in full for all in this tinderbox case.
It is a shame Sarah Everard didn't resist and run away.
It is a shame Andrew Malkinson didn't abscond.
It is a shame chris kaba wont face a court of law.
It is a shame Ian Tomlinson had to die for the crime of walking home.

An armed, angry, gee'd up, bunch of thugs will eventually cross the line, when they do they are no longer police. My stance aint changed.
 
A bit late to this particular party, but my gammon aunt mass reposting stuff from a Facebook group called "We Support The Manchester Officer" has brought it to my attention :lol:

I mean, the video is shocking and these lads who have attacked the Police are absolute scumbags who deserve prison time a deffo not any compensation.
However, that was still excessive force to kick and stamp on the lads head. It would land you at least in custody in any other walk of life regardless of how 'intense' the situation was.
Both of these things can be true.

The reason I say this is that the police have specific regulations of proportionate response and approved physical force.
Letting this go for any reason is a slippery slope. Legally you create a precedent in which other officers can point to this as a way of getting out of much more murky charges.

The police need to be held to a very high and consistent standard and as much as I'll admit to taking some pleasure in seeing that little rat getting his head volleyed, the copper is in the wrong here and should be held to account for it.
 
Rita_Poon said:
In no way do I believe guidelines have been followed by the uniforms.
The potential civilian criminals have no guidelines except unto the law.
Obviously all individuals are accountable to the law, let's very much hope that that is the case in full for all in this tinderbox case.
It is a shame Sarah Everard didn't resist and run away.
It is a shame Andrew Malkinson didn't abscond.
It is a shame chris kaba wont face a court of law.
It is a shame Ian Tomlinson had to die for the crime of walking home.

An armed, angry, gee'd up, bunch of thugs will eventually cross the line, when they do they are no longer police. My stance aint changed.
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Well the guidelines are: identify as police, explain they're detained/under arrest, inform the grounds/crime, and explain that they're not free to leave.

If there's reasonable suspicion for detention, then all the above in the previous post comes to play. It doesn't have to all be in one go, if circumstances don't allow.

And for Malkinson, surely your anger is at the CPS and CCRC?
 
PhilM said:
Well the guidelines are: identify as police, explain they're detained/under arrest, inform the grounds/crime, and you're not free to leave.

If there's reasonable suspicion for detention, then all the above in the previous post comes to play. It doesn't have to all be in one go, if circumstances don't allow.
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The kick, the stamp, the other stamp, the pistol whip, none is guidelines. The possible crime or crimes leading to the flash point are the fulcrum of the case.

I hope the pigs are squeaky clean in this regard, I really do. If they've gone for him because he's parked skewed in the car park it won't do any one any favours. Mistaken identity probably the worst outcome. If he's shoved some old lady who got in the way of his mum... , the silence is deafening, armed response uniforms suggests something serious, so why not more of em to deal with a party that size?
 
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