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[Rita_Poon]

Mate I’m just saying how i reckon he’ll try and explain stuff I’m not his union rep or his brief

I appreciate that, the razor wire line he's going to need to tread from the 'order to go and arrest' whoever, to the poorly executed arrest, to the frankly bizarre escalation, to then weapons drawn and used, and then an attempt to kill an incapacitated individual lay face down on the ground.

Somebody call Jesse Jackson. He'll earn his dollars on this one.

 

[Charro]

He'll have no problem whatsoever after that footage.

Count the seconds from being punched to the back of the skull. I'm surprised he was still standing after the punches to the back of the head.

Pure adrenaline.

Imagine being him. You're armed. You have someone wading blows to the back of your head. You turn around and see female colleagues down.

Training blah blah. Everyone is human. Everyone has a plan until they're getting battered.

Their job isn’t to wade in with blows to somebody who is incapacitated at the time.

It’s to calm the situation and make arrests.

They have tasers for a reason.

Once that taser is used there is absolutely no reason to follow up with a kick to the head. He could have killed him really.

When you’re a public servant you can not act how a member of the public would.

There’s a trust and expectation thrust upon you.

He broke that and will most likely see his time in the force come to an end and rightly so.

 

[PhilM]

Well, in his panic isn't he very lucky he didn't lash out in frenzy and kill the mother.

Mate, nobody wants that - nobody. We can have a serious discussion, talking about it as objectively as we can, or exhort to quips and a slagging match.

From this, there's no real winners - a cop will lose his job as a minimum, the male offender is likely to go to prison and his brother will be in a difficult position.

We have another cop with a broken nose, and a situation where the relationship between the community and police will be even more strained. Who wins?

But let's be clear, if he had reached for his firearm, then I doubt a court would have convicted an officer if they had shot him.

 

[Sean Ashley]

He'll have no problem whatsoever after that footage.

Count the seconds from being punched to the back of the skull. I'm surprised he was still standing after the punches to the back of the head.

Pure adrenaline.

Imagine being him. You're armed. You have someone wading blows to the back of your head. You turn around and see female colleagues down.

Training blah blah. Everyone is human. Everyone has a plan until they're getting battered.

This wasn't the situation the female officer was standing and tasered the guy when the male officer (who never turned around) was getting battered. After they both dropped following the taser. The male officer got up, used his taser and then kicked him. And then stamped on him to finish the job.

He knew what he was doing.

 

[Goat]

Well, in his panic isn't he very lucky he didn't lash out in frenzy and kill the mother.

What if the scumbags had got hold of the guns? How many dead do we have then?

I like this what if game.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Their job isn’t to wade in with blows to somebody who is incapacitated at the time.

It’s to calm the situation and make arrests.

They have tasers for a reason.

Once that taser is used there is absolutely no reason to follow up with a kick to the head. He could have killed him really.

When you’re a public servant you can not act how a member of the public would.

There’s a trust and expectation thrust upon you.

He broke that and will most likely see his time in the force come to an end and rightly so.

Maybe the repeated blows to the back of the head 2 seconds before may have meant he had no clue he was tasered.

In my view, armed police at airports should be equipped to react with whatever force they want when they're under attack. All bets are off when you start wading punches into armed police.

Do that in most countries and you're dead.

 

[Harryflashman]

Maybe the repeated blows to the back of the head 2 seconds before may have meant he had no clue he was tasered.

In my view, armed police at airports should be equipped to react with whatever force they want when they're under attack. All bets are off when you start wading punches into armed police.

Do that in most countries and you're dead.

The fact he could easily be concussed from those blows is something that will have to be assessed . We can function with no idea of our actions with concussion .

 

[Rita_Poon]

Mate, nobody wants that - nobody. We can have a serious discussion, talking about it as objectively as we can, or exhort to quips and a slagging match.

From this, there's no real winners - a cop will lose his job as a minimum, the male offender is likely to go to prison and his brother will be in a difficult position.

We have another cop with a broken nose, and a situation where the relationship between the community and police will be even more strained. Who wins?

But let's be clear, if he had reached for his firearm, then I doubt a court would have convicted an officer if they had shot him.

Let me be crystal clear. I do not want any of it. And there's a few quips flying around, not just from me.

I believe there can be winners from this incident, I believe the police and society can come through this better off. (I hasten to add, we still haven't got the reason why the cops waded in in the first place. Had one of the young men stolen some duty free? attacked another member of the public? put his tongue out at one of the pigs?) That criminal scum in a uniform should never have been given said uniform, let alone weapons. The selection and training process needs review. The brother in the pig core is in an impossible position now, he'll always be defined (in the police) by this incident in which he had no part.
No bones should have been broken, the lady officer ought to bring her own case against whichever attacker* has caused her harm.
The police proving that the police are not above the law will show all communities that the law is there for everyone, but now I'm guilty of jackanory, because they've had 1000's of opportunities to change their nefarious ways and still haven't quite got the message.
Your last line, it's a brave set of lads that jump in throwing punches against uniforms with revolvers on their hips. Something has kicked that situation off, that's the bit we need.

The instantaneous police statement stinks. I maintain from earlier in the thread.

You cannot apply and enforce the law by breaking it yourself.

 

[Rita_Poon]

What if the scumbags had got hold of the guns? How many dead do we have then?

I like this what if game.

I didn't say 'what if'.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Maybe the repeated blows to the back of the head 2 seconds before may have meant he had no clue he was tasered.

In my view, armed police at airports should be equipped to react with whatever force they want when they're under attack. All bets are off when you start wading punches into armed police.

Do that in most countries and you're dead.

@Goat some of that if maybe and what next...

 

[Goat]

I didn't say 'what if'.

But what if the utter clowns didn't resist arrest and start attacking women?

 

[Charro]

Maybe the repeated blows to the back of the head 2 seconds before may have meant he had no clue he was tasered.

In my view, armed police at airports should be equipped to react with whatever force they want when they're under attack. All bets are off when you start wading punches into armed police.

Do that in most countries and you're dead.

You say that like it’s a good thing?

It isn’t. I don’t want murders by our police becoming a thing for stuff like this.

Taser him, arrest him, and throw the book at him once charged.

The police officer reacting in the way he did will now complicate things. This has now turned this into a public story so the prosecutor will be mindful of any sentence they dish out.

I imagine the office massively regrets losing his composure and would probably react differently if in that situation again.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You say that like it’s a good thing?

It isn’t. I don’t want murders by our police becoming a thing for stuff situations like this.

Taser him, arrest him, and throw the book at him once charged.

The police officer reacting in the way he did will now complicate things. This has now turned this into a public story so the prosecutor will be mindful of any sentence they dish out.

I imagine the office massively regrets losing his composure and would probably react differently if in that situation again.

Respect for authority/authorities in airports is a necessity mate.

So yes, I think it's a very good thing that armed police exist at airports and that society knowing if you attack them you'll likely end up dead.

 

[PhilM]

Your last line, it's a brave set of lads that jump in throwing punches against uniforms with revolvers on their hips. Something has kicked that situation off, that's the bit we need.

If you watch the video, I suspect what kicks it off is the assault with the intent to resist arrest, which is an offence under the Offences Against the Persons Act.

The officer will have to face the music for his actions, and this won't mitigate it, but in terms of what ifs... if it is a lawful arrest, and they had complied?

A police officer putting his/her hands on you to complete an arrest is not justification, in any UK court. If they've committed a prior assault too...

 

[Rita_Poon]

But what if the utter clowns didn't resist arrest and start attacking women?

Well, lets hear why they were arresting then.