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[Eidean]

I presume you've never been in a physical fight? U can have all the training in the world and still have blind rage. Ever seen a mate getting a beating? You'd jump in with both feet, freeze or leg it. It's basic human response.
Professional fighters lose their minds on occasion, mike tyson ear bite springs to mind. They train every day.
I imagine the cops don't get a huge amount of self defence training. Maybe we could build AI robocops and take the human side out completely?
Also, I'm sure that was a decent, upstanding member of the community he kicked. Can't say I've ever been arrested coming off a plane, nor has anyone I know.
Let's scrap the police completely and see how some people cope when it's totally lawless

You presume incorrectly.

That police officer was an Armed Response Officer, he would have had plenty of self defence training & policy training regarding it.

It’s absolutely irrelevant if he was an upstanding member of the community or not, the Officers job isn’t judge jury & executioner.

He’s allowed to defend himself & others if there’s an honest belief of a threat. The lad was on the floor, tasered & in that moment posed no threat whatsoever. There was no requirement for the officer to then absolutely leather the lads head, then move onto the bloke sat down with his hands behind his head.

He’s let his emotion takeover his training & he’s broken the law.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I think google will tell you a few lads convicted over the shooting were originally charged on the basis Chris Kaba was involved . During the trial the unnamed gunman was identified as 24 , the same age as Chris Kaba.

Evidence , because people have been convicted , seems to suggest Chris Kaba is possibly or even likely involved in that incident . That doesn’t mean he wasn’t subsequently murdered by the police, I suppose for me it’s just indicative of evidence that’ll come out at the trial.

I've no doubt he was involved somewhere, and could well have played a key role. The issue here is and always has been that did he really need executing on the street. The courts and justice are there to operate as an umbrella of safety, that was not allowed in this case, that is why the officer is required in court to explain himself and the why's thereof. The place Kaba ought to have done the same.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Rita you become a mini davek in this thread whenever it's bumped, it's hard work. For what it's worth I have 2 friends who are police officers and they're the best of humanity, so I struggle with the generalization that they're pigs and scum you constantly bring to the table. I get that they've clearly wronged you in the past somehow like.

Am I only hard work in here? I acknowledge that there are good police, but I suspect the fellowship of the uniform runs in their veins also. Channel4 tonight wasn't news as such but reaffirmed a longstanding problem.

 

[PhilM]

a) involved with guns somehow the day before
b) they had all the excuse they needed to arrest a known criminal who just so happened to be a young black man. Again. Again.

Hackney: Three men jailed over gang shooting

Shemiah Bell, Marcus Pottinger and Connel Bamgboye are jailed for their role in the 2022 attack.

www.bbc.co.uk

Taking away race, should people involved in such crimes be arrested?

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Am I only hard work in here? I acknowledge that there are good police, but I suspect the fellowship of the uniform runs in their veins also. Channel4 tonight wasn't news as such but reaffirmed a longstanding problem.

It's like the painter on the fast show, replace the word "black" with "police"

 

[PhilM]

See I think stuff has gone on off camera and we’re seeing the results of that chaos , what’s occurred I’ve no clue and I suspect it’ll be ages til we find out . That said it doesn’t really change my position on the kick/stamp. The fella getting gassed sprayed or whatever when had his hands in the air isn’t a good look but without pretty strong extenuating circumstances, which don’t seem present , that stamp will take some explaining.

And I agree with all of this, completely. Whether there's been provocation beforehand, including a potential officer with a broken nose, he'll have to justify his actions.

If he can't do that when all the context is provided, then rightfully he'll get a punishment that he deserves. I hope anything I've said hasn't alluded to the contrary.

My point being, once again, I suggest we all wait for the full picture and a suitable investigation (internally and likely criminally) rather than jumping to conclusions...

... or suggesting someone slits his throat (inciting of violence/hatred).

 

[Rita_Poon]

Linford Christie - 1988 - awarded 30k from the Met.

What a day!

 

[Rita_Poon]

And I agree with all of this, completely. Whether there's been provocation beforehand, including a potential officer with a broken nose, he'll have to justify his actions.

If he can't do that when all the context is provided, then rightfully he'll get a punishment that he deserves. I hope anything I've said hasn't alluded to the contrary.

My point being, once again, I suggest we all wait for the full picture and a suitable investigation (internally and likely criminally) rather than jumping to conclusions...

... or suggesting someone slits his throat (inciting of violence/hatred).

hope and pray*

Tomlinsons killer dragged the investigation out just long enough to secure his pension, and walked out of the front door a free man.

 

[neil999]

So clear footage of a kick to the face and a stomp and the head and people are still justifying this...UNBELIEVABLE

 

[Harryflashman]

And I agree with all of this, completely. Whether there's been provocation beforehand, including a potential officer with a broken nose, he'll have to justify his actions.

If he can't do that when all the context is provided, then rightfully he'll get a punishment that he deserves. I hope anything I've said hasn't alluded to the contrary.

My point being, once again, I suggest we all wait for the full picture and a suitable investigation (internally and likely criminally) rather than jumping to conclusions...

... or suggesting someone slits his throat (inciting of violence/hatred).

Mate I don’t think we massively disagree , my puzzlement with the whole thing is i just can’t understand how he’s ended up losing his head like that (Taking it at face value ) . Someone made a throw away remark above about it being his missus , something similar did cross my mind , but who knows .

 

[Rita_Poon]

So clear footage of a kick to the face and a stomp and the head and people are still justifying this...UNBELIEVABLE

context
blind faith
obvious personal bias
let's wait for it to happen again
one of those things
a lady officer got a broken nose don't you know
the police I know are sound as a pound like

This club, this city, these traumas.

 

[Goat]

So clear footage of a kick to the face and a stomp and the head and people are still justifying this...UNBELIEVABLE

I think people are defending The Police in general Neil.

Hopefully this thug feels the full weight of the law and also the scumbag who thinks it's acceptable to punch a woman in the face.

 

[PhilM]

Mate I don’t think we massively disagree , my puzzlement with the whole thing is i just can’t understand how he’s ended up losing his head like that (Taking it at face value ) . Someone made a throw away remark above about it being his missus , something similar did cross my mind , but who knows .

In reality, we do not know, although I do think the Burnham comment about alluded to a 'complicated situation' and not being 'clear-cut' suggest there's more to it.

Yet, those comments could refer to an absolute multitude of things as part of it. It shouldn't take the CPS overly long to make a decision on it.

 

[neil999]

I think people are defending The Police in general Neil.

Hopefully this thug feels the full weight of the law and also the scumbag who thinks it's acceptable to punch a woman in the face.

Oh I'm just meaning maniacs on twitter

 

[Goat]

Oh I'm just meaning maniacs on twitter

I read a Reddit thread about it last night.

It really wasn't pleasant.

It was basically just hundreds of racist posts.