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Unfortunately, what I see is a system that wanted him shuffled out of the door as quietly as possible. Going after him and his pension meant him blabbing about his fellow officer. He commit a crime, and repeatedly told differing lies and still got off. In fact, was kept on suspended during investigation to finish his 20 years. It stank then and it stinks now. I see a system that is not keen on holding it's employees to account, "yeah sure, force is regrettable, but some people need a slap now and again to keep em in check" even the law abiding... the cps, the police in the iopc, and their paymasters all on the periphery of government are complicit in the 'sweep under the rug culture' of business as usual.
When the law doesn't apply to those trusted to enforce it, exactly who does it apply to.

No peace.
If we're talking about Harwood, the original investigation to him wasn't to the standard it should have been. Again, I think most people would say similar to this.

There were issues with the Mets procedures, and perhaps justifiably people may question why it took until post the inquiry for him to be charged by the CPS.

He was charged by the CPS and faced a jury for manslaughter as people would help. Nevertheless, that said jury acquitted him of the crime.

So unless the CPS wilfully did not do their best in prosecuting him or somehow the jury was tampered, he is legally innocent and innocent of the crime.

Was the acquittal on a technicality? Some may say so, yet the more logical take is that we have a legal system that requires guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

That could not be proven - see the liver conditions and different pathologists reports. Morally, is he guilty? That's a different matter, as the details are unpleasant.

The suspended part? It may come across as uncomfortable, but if not suspended, then what? Act before guilt has been proven or whatnot?

In terms of use of force, yes it is regrettable and again the discussion of it can be uncomfortable, however whether we like it or not it's sometimes a necessity.

The law of physics is clear that unless someone obliges, force is required to detain someone - more than they exert. To not use force would mean what?

There are and sadly there'll continue to be examples of misuse of force, but my point was that often the use of force by police can be a necessity.

The law says as much. So if we go back to the case of the tasering, it may uncomfortable watching, but it was judged appropriate based on the circumstances.

I would therefore suggest that it would be sensible to judge each use by its own circumstances rather than bang the drum of use of force is, by default, bad.
 
If we're talking about Harwood, the original investigation to him wasn't to the standard it should have been. Again, I think most people would say similar to this.

There were issues with the Mets procedures, and perhaps justifiably people may question why it took until post the inquiry for him to be charged by the CPS.

He was charged by the CPS and faced a jury for manslaughter as people would help. Nevertheless, that said jury acquitted him of the crime.

So unless the CPS wilfully did not do their best in prosecuting him or somehow the jury was tampered, he is legally innocent and innocent of the crime.

Was the acquittal on a technicality? Some may say so, yet the more logical take is that we have a legal system that requires guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

That could not be proven - see the liver conditions and different pathologists reports. Morally, is he guilty? That's a different matter, as the details are unpleasant.

The suspended part? It may come across as uncomfortable, but if not suspended, then what? Act before guilt has been proven or whatnot?

In terms of use of force, yes it is regrettable and again the discussion of it can be uncomfortable, however whether we like it or not it's sometimes a necessity.

The law of physics is clear that unless someone obliges, force is required to detain someone - more than they exert. To not use force would mean what?

There are and sadly there'll continue to be examples of misuse of force, but my point was that often the use of force by police can be a necessity.

The law says as much. So if we go back to the case of the tasering, it may uncomfortable watching, but it was judged appropriate based on the circumstances.

I would therefore suggest that it would be sensible to judge each use by its own circumstances rather than bang the drum of use of force is, by default, bad.
My default is, the pigs have had their chances to police by consent and repeatedly failed. The longer that scum is enabled to use force the more they will and the injury toll and worse will rise. Eventually there'll be a tipping point and we'll face the fury of a Mark Duggan type being executed again. Unarmed as he was. The harwood case stinks. There's been plenty since, not least the Chris Kaba execution.
I hasten to add, some maniac attacked and killed a tourist in Paris over the weekend, he was tasered and apprehended. A 26 year old man armed with a knife and a hammer. Not a 10 year old junior school child.
Guilty of no crime, yet tasered to death https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67125125
Guilty of no crime, tasered and fell to his death https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...laughter-window-fall-birmingham-b2416665.html
sussex pigs taser, pepper spray and baton to death 93 year old dementia patient confined to wheel chair

read that again.

11 year old boy armed with a butter knife tasered... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/21/qifk-m21.html

Not looking good is it. No peace!
 
And it's not just children or those in wheel chairs or those suffering dementia that can swallow a tasering and like it...



Hmmm

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said on Wednesday that there was a pattern of more excessive Tasering against people in distress, and black people were more likely to be Tasered for prolonged periods than white people.


Yeah, I've not been talked round at all here, dirt filth pig scum cop for every penny they get in return and then some. No peace!
 
My default is, the pigs have had their chances to police by consent and repeatedly failed. The longer that scum is enabled to use force the more they will and the injury toll and worse will rise. Eventually there'll be a tipping point and we'll face the fury of a Mark Duggan type being executed again. Unarmed as he was. The harwood case stinks. There's been plenty since, not least the Chris Kaba execution.
I hasten to add, some maniac attacked and killed a tourist in Paris over the weekend, he was tasered and apprehended. A 26 year old man armed with a knife and a hammer. Not a 10 year old junior school child.
Guilty of no crime, yet tasered to death https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67125125
Guilty of no crime, tasered and fell to his death https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...laughter-window-fall-birmingham-b2416665.html
sussex pigs taser, pepper spray and baton to death 93 year old dementia patient confined to wheel chair

read that again.

11 year old boy armed with a butter knife tasered... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/21/qifk-m21.html

Not looking good is it. No peace!
Policing by consent is pivotal, hence why regularly arming police is a big no, no for me. The elephant in the room here however is that not everyone consents.

There are many people in this country who willingly and knowingly commit crime, and will do their utmost to not be apprehended. They do not consent.

What then? The use of force by police comes from an act of parliament, which is explicit in what justifies when force is permitted.

A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in the effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders, or of persons unlawfully at large - Criminal Law Act, '67

If we take it even away from policing and go further in to the law (common law and stature) and European Court of Human Rights.

We have preservation of life. We have defence of property.

A defendant is entitled to use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property. … It must be reasonable.
— Beckford v The Queen [1988] AC 130[3]

“Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article, when it results from the use of force, which is no more than absolutely necessary: -
a) In defence of any person from unlawful violence.
b) In order to affect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained.
c) To quell a riot or insurrection
While I said it's regrettable that a child has been tasered, it will again boil back down to the laws above and whether that force is 'reasonable'.

It was deemed to be. Age, gender and all factors, but the most important is whether the officer reasonably believed that their force was justified and approrpaite.
 
Age, gender and all factors, but the most important is whether the officer reasonably believed that their force was justified and approrpaite.
I think the majority are scum, in it primarily as excuse to go hurting people. And those not that way are tainted by those that are. In that 'law' you've quoted it goes 'Guilty by association'. An independent report by Baroness Casey goes... Author of landmark report says Met can ‘no longer presume that it has the permission of the people of London to police them’... 'institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic ... institutionally corrupt'.

defund the police! No Peace!
 
I think the majority are scum, in it primarily as excuse to go hurting people. And those not that way are tainted by those that are. In that 'law' you've quoted it goes 'Guilty by association'. An independent report by Baroness Casey goes... Author of landmark report says Met can ‘no longer presume that it has the permission of the people of London to police them’... 'institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic ... institutionally corrupt'.

defund the police! No Peace!
You really dont want to live in a world without The Police.
 
You really dont want to live in a world without The Police.
Additionally, while I think most would agree that policing by consent is superior to the alternative, they are servants of the crown. Their job is to enforce the law.

The government make the laws and the judiciary decides on the outcome post charge, which is mostly done by the CPS unless certain summary offences.
 
how anyone can wish the filth like this a happy xmas is beyond me. they are racist scum and the non-racist minority are as bad for covering up for them.
Purely anecdotal, but I know of quite a few lads and lasses who joined the rozzers only to quit not long after because of insitutional issues amongst fellow officers. The job certainly wasn't what they hoped it would be.

I did play 7 aside against a team of bizzies and they seemed sound to be fair, though one of them got his leg broke in a nothing challenge and he was trying to get the lads details, I'm not sure what his plan was but thankfully everyone told him to do one.
 
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