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[PhilM]

Met officer Tasered girl, 10, twice over garden shears threat, hearing told

PC Jonathan Broadhead faces gross misconduct proceedings over Tasering the child in January 2021.

www.bbc.co.uk

A hero, let's petition him a VC...

I don't think anybody is calling him a hero. It is completely regrettable that a child had to be tasered. However, to add balance, an independent panel cleared him.

Met Police officer cleared after Tasering girl, 10

A girl who threatened her mother with garden shears was Tasered twice by PC Jonathan Broadhead.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rita_Poon]

I don't think anybody is calling him a hero. It is completely regrettable that a child had to be tasered. However, to add balance, an independent panel cleared him.

Met Police officer cleared after Tasering girl, 10

A girl who threatened her mother with garden shears was Tasered twice by PC Jonathan Broadhead.

www.bbc.co.uk

How come him and his pals couldn't remove the garden shears after the first taser hit?

 

[PhilM]

How come him and his pals couldn't remove the garden shears after the first taser hit?

Is that rhetorical, or would you prefer people to infer? I can again, and importantly, refer to the fact that the independent panel found it to be necessary force.

If I was inferring, I suspect the perceived threat - previous use of a hammer, picking up a large bladed item and not following instructions - meant they took no risk.

Importantly, the panel found that the care for the young female after the taser's deployment was adequate.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hardest 10 year old girl I've ever heard of, must be proper nails to not get dropped by the first jolt. And the independent panel, well, I have a few doubts like...

 

[PhilM]

Hardest 10 year old girl I've ever heard of, must be proper nails to not get dropped by the first jolt. And the independent panel, well, I have a few doubts like...

Such as?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Such as?

Day time investigation. Let's leave it for this evening please.

 

[PhilM]

Day time investigation. Let's leave it for this evening please.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/public-misconduct-hearings/outcomes/2023/december/pc-broadhead-outcome

This has no apparent effect, certainly not the instant incapacitation that one would expect, and the taser is discharged for a second time. This incapacitated Child A.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Day time investigation. Let's leave it for this evening please.

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[Del-boy]

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/public-misconduct-hearings/outcomes/2023/december/pc-broadhead-outcome

Ignore Rita. If the police saved him from a house fire he’d probably blame them for starting it.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Ignore Rita. If the police saved him from a house fire he’d probably blame them for starting it.

Just like you ignore the wrong doings by your fellow employees.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Such as?

simon harwood, killer of Ian Tomlinson.

"After the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) began a criminal inquiry, further autopsies indicated that Tomlinson had died from internal bleeding caused by blunt force trauma to the abdomen, in association with cirrhosis of the liver. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decided not to charge Harwood, because the disagreement between the first and later pathologists meant they could not show a causal link between the death and alleged assault.[7] That position changed in 2011; after the verdict of unlawful killing, the CPS charged Harwood with manslaughter.[8] He was acquitted in 2012 and dismissed from the service a few months later."

A free man, who changed his story at least three times, including the first which was that Tomlinson had attacked him and he was acting in self defence.

No peace.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The IPCC: a catalogue of delays, rejections and basic failures

In an investigation into the body that examines complaints against the police, Nick Davies uncovers a series of disturbing inadequacies

www.theguardian.com

Police failed to protect Bijan Ebrahimi prior to his murder, IPCC says

Report highlights catalogue of errors by Avon and Somerset officers over Iranian refugee who was target of hate campaign

www.theguardian.com

Serial killer Stephen Port: Report into Met's handling of case 'will be damning'

Stephen Port killed his victims with fatal doses of a date-rape drug.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thoroughly depressing, 'by consent' they say...

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

The IPCC: a catalogue of delays, rejections and basic failures

In an investigation into the body that examines complaints against the police, Nick Davies uncovers a series of disturbing inadequacies

www.theguardian.com

Police failed to protect Bijan Ebrahimi prior to his murder, IPCC says

Report highlights catalogue of errors by Avon and Somerset officers over Iranian refugee who was target of hate campaign

www.theguardian.com

Serial killer Stephen Port: Report into Met's handling of case 'will be damning'

Stephen Port killed his victims with fatal doses of a date-rape drug.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thoroughly depressing, 'by consent' they say...

Delboy would blame the victims.

 

[PhilM]

simon harwood, killer of Ian Tomlinson.

"After the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) began a criminal inquiry, further autopsies indicated that Tomlinson had died from internal bleeding caused by blunt force trauma to the abdomen, in association with cirrhosis of the liver. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decided not to charge Harwood, because the disagreement between the first and later pathologists meant they could not show a causal link between the death and alleged assault.[7] That position changed in 2011; after the verdict of unlawful killing, the CPS charged Harwood with manslaughter.[8] He was acquitted in 2012 and dismissed from the service a few months later."

A free man, who changed his story at least three times, including the first which was that Tomlinson had attacked him and he was acting in self defence.

No peace.

Not to sound obtuse, but I'm failing to relate your concerns with the Independent Panel for dismissal, with an IPCC investigation (a separate entity) and the CPS.

An independent panel found the officer had been justified in their use of force. The IPCC (now the IOPC) is completely separate and not part of a disciplinary panel.

In terms of Tomlinson, the choice not to charge was the CPS - again, separate. When they did charge, he was acquitted by a jury as per the laws of the land.

The decision to charge is based on the probability of prosecution meeting a defined threshold, hence the term in the public interest. Simply, is it worth it?

Rightly, he faced prosecution (CPS choice) for his actions and subsequently dismissed, but with hindsight the original decision to not prosecute could be justified.

You're right to have a grievance with Hardwood's actions and some of the failings afterwards, but personally, it's unjustified to link one with another.

Ideally, we'd be in a world where use of force wasn't required, however we don't. Sometimes, force will be needed and while regrettable it may be required.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Not to sound obtuse, but I'm failing to relate your concerns with the Independent Panel for dismissal, with an IPCC investigation (a separate entity) and the CPS.
An independent panel found the officer had been justified in their use of force. The IPCC (now the IOPC) is completely separate and not part of a disciplinary panel.
In terms of Tomlinson, the choice not to charge was the CPS - again, separate. When they did charge, he was acquitted by a jury as per the laws of the land.
The decision to charge is based on the probability of prosecution meeting a defined threshold, hence the term in the public interest. Simply, is it worth it?
Rightly, he faced prosecution (CPS choice) for his actions and subsequently dismissed, but with hindsight the original decision to not prosecute could be justified.
You're right to have a grievance with Hardwood's actions and some of the failings afterwards, but personally, it's unjustified to link one with another.
Ideally, we'd be in a world where use of force wasn't required, however we don't. Sometimes, force will be needed and while regrettable it may be required.

Unfortunately, what I see is a system that wanted him shuffled out of the door as quietly as possible. Going after him and his pension meant him blabbing about his fellow officer. He commit a crime, and repeatedly told differing lies and still got off. In fact, was kept on suspended during investigation to finish his 20 years. It stank then and it stinks now. I see a system that is not keen on holding it's employees to account, "yeah sure, force is regrettable, but some people need a slap now and again to keep em in check" even the law abiding... the cps, the police in the iopc, and their paymasters all on the periphery of government are complicit in the 'sweep under the rug culture' of business as usual.
When the law doesn't apply to those trusted to enforce it, exactly who does it apply to.

No peace.