Super.
Then that's the only real point I wanted clarification on.
Please feel free to highlight the many misdeeds that the Police partake in and hopefully a light shining on them will lessen their volume.
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Then that's the only real point I wanted clarification on.
Please feel free to highlight the many misdeeds that the Police partake in and hopefully a light shining on them will lessen their volume.
Glad we got that cleared up, friends again?
I shall do, but will try and do so in a more balanced manner going forwards.
You were balanced, he fabricated the 'wish' and hid when called on it. This accountability lark is one hell of a difficult path to tread eh lads. !
Don’t know enough about the Met to really add to the discussion but what you stated above is correct re the RUC in the North.
Ultimately even changes to branding, recruitment and political engagement hasn’t resulted in what the Govt intended. It will take at least another generation before the PSNI is trusted as a normal police force.
Different circumstances I know but your comment stood out to me.
To be fair the policing issues the UK is suffering currently definitely does have some parallels to the troubles (more specifically with widespread police misconduct resulting in rage from marginalised communities (and frankly not-so marginalised communities given their treatment of women in general)
Obviously it’s a very, very different political situation and a very different time. You’re not exactly likely to see a cockney Republican army spring up in response for example, but it is entirely possible that if trust isn’t improved you may start seeing some communities turn to vigilantism, which is what kind of happened in catholic communities in Ireland.
Main differences are that A. Working class British people are too far under the boot to realistically ever aggressively agitate for any true progressive change to their policing and even their politics, and B. The situation with the RUC and sectarianism was a result of centuries of bad blood and poor treatment (mostly) of Catholics by an invading force.
Regardless, much like the RUC to PSNI change, I reckon the Met at minimum will rebrand due to the outrage.
In the absence of policing then a community will look inwards but I think that is a million miles away over there.
Rebranding would never work without institutional change and the most obvious way to do it is through recruitment. The police should reflect the population make up as a starting point and then take it from there with positive outreach work in marginalised communities. It is all about the hearts and minds.
Yeah I agree 100%, it’s a very difficult issue though regardless.
As you say recruitment would be important, but the issue is that the police are largely closing ranks and resisting criticism as opposed to actually facing at it and giving viable steps they’re taking to improve it.
If you look at the Sarah Everard case and then the absolute chaos at her vigil, absolutely nothing has been done since other than (seemingly) things have gotten worse.
No doubt there will be some Govt overseeing committee appointed to recommend some sort of reform, be it cosmetic or structural.
However, as I said before, it hasn’t worked in NI. Well it did in that police aren’t being as actively plugged as before but Irish Catholic officers amount to 26% only. Fiddling the figures to include non Irish Catholics only brings it to 31%.
A lot of hearts and minds to be claimed here yet.
I have to admit, I am very, very worried about the potential future of Northern Ireland if the tories get in again. The UK legacy bill was a massive step in the wrong direction, and their previous use of the DUP to prop up a Westminster majority was incredibly inflammatory and probably breached the terms of the Good Friday agreement. Thankfully cooler heads on the Republican (biased as I may be, comments the other year from the likes of Arlene Foster suggest less-so on the orange side, at least in the political class) side seem to have been prevailing there and the bigger likelihood is a United Ireland.
I think the general slide to the far right politically in the UK is dangerous though, with things like planning on having the military stand in for armed police who threw their doll out the pram recently, and incredibly violent rhetoric towards refugees and appalling rhetoric about multiculturalism is showing a worrying direction for the UK. It’s entirely possible the government (particularly with a monster like Braverman getting so much clout) will just give police carté-blanche to behave how they like and give them additional powers.
Border poll within 10 years and Ireland will sort itself out. The slide to the right wing in the UK does fuel this to be fair but moreso our link up back with Europe.
Surely the Tory’s will not get in again?? I do see them sniping from the sidelines though about policing needing to be sorted out.
I reckon so, I’m considering moving back to Ireland next year anyway, given there’s tonnes of jobs in my sector there and I have a passport and citizenship it seems silly not to.
I don’t know you know, I think the issue is Keir Starmer is such a fencesitter and has pandered to the tories far too keenly that a lot of Labour’s base (particularly younger voters who were big fans of Corbyn) are quite disillusioned with them - that said, I’d take a boring neoliberal party who just keep the status quo, over a party of incompetent bigots who are actively agitating to make things worse.
Unfortunately additional powers have been granted, the bit that stuck out as arbitrary to me was the volume at which protesting is allowed. Who's making that call? Will there be a specialist police liaison in audio technology along for every quarter mile of a protest route, or will our most fine and upstanding members of the tender loving caring constabulary be trusted to apply the law even handedly and with full accord with these modern law updates.
Protests: Police powers to stop new tactics come into effect
Transport network disruption and tunnelling targeted under measures for police in England and Wales.
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Anyone but the Tory’s.
I was gonna leave this, but im not having you call me a liar you little weasel.
I didnt fabricate anything.
Here you are clearly stating a wish for more Police Officers to be killed.
Now im done.
Whoopsie!
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