Mason Holgate

[Muggins]

I like him, but I can't see Koeman putting a bullet in the club captain for him I'm afraid

If Jags gets the axe, it'll be because we've bought someone better in January

I'd play both Pennington and Browning ahead of Holgate if I'm honest, especially at CB, and once they're fit I'd expect that to be the pecking order. If it's RB we're talking about I might think differently

Holgate looked the part though mate, surely best players should play?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Holgate looked the part though mate, surely best players should play?

I agree

But can you see Koeman kicking the captain to the curb for a relatively unproven kid?

I just can't see it

Again, look at what happened with Davies at the weekend, and Clev isn't really an important player

And I stand by my comment that Pennington and Browning are better choices than Holgate at CB, and I'd put him atRB ahead of them

 

[Eggs]

I agree

But can you see Koeman kicking the captain to the curb for a relatively unproven kid?

I just can't see it

Again, look at what happened with Davies at the weekend, and Clev isn't really an important player

And I stand by my comment that Pennington and Browning are better choices than Holgate at CB, and I'd put him atRB ahead of them

....I might be wrong but I guess RK is not overly enamoured with his 1st team squad. I also guess he's not afraid to drop the established players. It's an opportunity for him to play youngsters if he feels they are capable. I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't do so except that he thinks they're just not good enough.

 

[Mountfield1985]

Completely disagree

Has looked assured every time out

Not flashy, but doesn't need to be. Confident, strong and a hard worker

Will achieve a lot for this club if given the chance

He's clearly the best young defender we have IMO. Notice I said. "Defender" and not "Boss Tekkers Wizard", which is seemingly what every young player needs to be these days to get any credit

Browning, Holgate & Galloway have all looked like far more assured defenders.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I stand by why I have said

The only reason Pennington won't make it as a first team player here at Everton is if he isn't allowed to

He's more than capable of playing for us for years at the highest level

Hopefully Holgate can do the same at RB in time, Seamus isn't going to be playing forever

 

[mightymoyes]

I stand by why I have said

The only reason Pennington won't make it as a first team player here at Everton is if he isn't allowed to

He's more than capable of playing for us for years at the highest level

Hopefully Holgate can do the same at RB in time, Seamus isn't going to be playing forever

hes only just turned 28! one of our younger players!lol

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

hes only just turned 28! one of our younger players!lol

Baines is a mere 3 years older and ready for the knacker yard according to some

Won't Holgate be something like 22-23 once Seamus reaches the same age?

Hardly a spring chicken is he?

 

[mightymoyes]

Baines is a mere 3 years older and ready for the knacker yard according to some

Won't Holgate be something like 22-23 once Seamus reaches the same age?

Hardly a spring chicken is he?

not in real terms but in our team he is unfortunately

 

[Eggs]

I stand by why I have said

The only reason Pennington won't make it as a first team player here at Everton is if he isn't allowed to

He's more than capable of playing for us for years at the highest level

Hopefully Holgate can do the same at RB in time, Seamus isn't going to be playing forever

..I find it so difficult to be confident about any youngster because the step up is massive (exception of Rooney). We see them occasionally and usually against their peers, the coaches see them daily. I can't see a manager not picking his best team. RK appears unconvinced by many in his squad yet still doesn't pick young replacements.

In the past you have suggested all young players should get a run of first team games. You have pushed particularly for McAleney and Duffy. You can't use the Premier League for young trialists. There aren't many who fail to come through with us who reach top level.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

..I find it so difficult to be confident about any youngster because the step up is massive (exception of Rooney). We see them occasionally and usually against their peers, the coaches see them daily. I can't see a manager not picking his best team. RK appears unconvinced by many in his squad yet still doesn't pick young replacements.

In the past you have suggested all young players should get a run of first team games. You have pushed particularly for McAleney and Duffy. You can't use the Premier League for young trialists. There aren't many who fail to come through with us who reach top level.

Actually, I haven't ever said that, despite utter Jambo's suggesting otherwise

What I've said is that if a young player comes in and does well, he should get another chance

The schism that exists is that, for me, "doing well" is doing the job asked of you to a competent level and not looking out of place (As Duffy did every time he played for us) but for others, "doing well", means you have to be amazing and if you fail to be amazing even just once, you are deemed not good enough

Pennington has come in and done well

Galloway has come in and done well

Davies has come in and done well

And yes, Holgate has also come in and done well

I think all of them should get more chances in the first team, and anyone who doesn't is wrong in my opinion

Soz abar me lid

 

[Eggs]

Actually, I haven't ever said that, despite utter Jambo's suggesting otherwise

What I've said is that if a young player comes in and does well, he should get another chance

The schism that exists is that, for me, "doing well" is doing the job asked of you to a competent level and not looking out of place (As Duffy did every time he played for us) but for others, "doing well", means you have to be amazing and if you fail to be amazing even just once, you are deemed not good enough

Pennington has come in and done well

Galloway has come in and done well

Davies has come in and done well

And yes, Holgate has also come in and done well

I think all of them should get more chances in the first team, and anyone who doesn't is wrong in my opinion

Soz abar me lid

....apologies but I seem to recall you saying all youngsters deserve a run of games. I'm a fan of Galloway, i wouldn't have let him go on loan but the reality might be that RK simply doesn't rate him. I'm not sure what his thoughts are about the other young players you mention, the game is about opinions and he might simply not hold them in the same accord as us.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Would love to know what this fella did wrong?

 

[BlueToff]

I agree

But can you see Koeman kicking the captain to the curb for a relatively unproven kid?

I just can't see it

Again, look at what happened with Davies at the weekend, and Clev isn't really an important player

And I stand by my comment that Pennington and Browning are better choices than Holgate at CB, and I'd put him atRB ahead of them

Agree on him not being 'ready' for CB at Prem level mate.

But I think in a three it will work.

We desperately - and I mean desperately - need to change the system to get us supporting Rom more, somehow.

If that means three at the back, with a four/five man midfield and two/three forwards, that's fine by me.

 

[BlueToff]

Would love to know what this fella did wrong?

He's a centre-back by trade and Coleman is a better full-back.

Coleman hasn't been half as bad as people are making out.

However, his place shouldn't feel as safe as it probably does.

 

[larrygobfiend]

He's a centre-back by trade and Coleman is a better full-back.

Coleman hasn't been half as bad as people are making out.

However, his place shouldn't feel as safe as it probably does.

I'd give him a go in the centre. A bit of youthful exuberance alongside Williams would be refreshing.