Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[Blue Cheese]

It's the insipid performances and lack of cohesion as a unit for me that is down to the manager. I don't blame him for all the individual errors this season that have resulted in us not only dropping points but has contributed massively to our loss of confidence. That's not Martinez' fault.

What is his fault is thinking that he can just play our way through this bad patch keeping faith with players who are not playing well hoping they can turn it around.

When players come in and play well only to get splinters in their arse next time one of the 'old pros' are back, despite the 'old pro' having a mare of a season, is just not good management, however you try and dress it up. The buck stops with Martinez and he isn't doing his job to standard.

 

[davek]

That's fine mate.

He is a good tackler and has a great engine, but has zero creativity and scores far too few goals.

That's my assessment of him.

Put him up for sale and you'd get £20M minimum. That's how limited he is.

 

[scorgie95]

Season by season he'll be judged: last season earned him a 5 year deal; this season will earn him a sit down with the board and a reassessment of where we're going.

The trouble is that people on forums dont do season to season, they do 90 minutes to 90 minutes...as the spectacularly divergent poll results on here for Newcastle and last night's games underline very well.

I've wanted him gone and still do since November/December. No amount of wins will change that until he shows he becomes more adaptable.

Like I've said before my dad and grandad said after his first game it was like watching a Mike walker team; the Moytinez hybrid tactics is what got us fifth (the players still had the Moyes tactic gene of pressing ingrained in them, until Martinez lobotomised them all.......) since the very end of last season we have seen the true Martinez style, like that at Wigan, that looks defencless and beaten before kick off. He needs to go before he sends us down. Even if he keeps us up (I don't think we will go down in all fairness, although we have to face reality we are close) he needs to go!

Just play 2 wingers Martinez, drop Barry and Alcaraz; it will do you good.

 

[micknick]

The thing with us fans is that when its going well we obviously dont say anything but when it goes bad all of a sudden Barry is a terrible transfer, Kone is a terrible transfer, McGeady is a terrible transfer.

Barry last year was superb, if we hadnt of signed him up we would have gone mental. Kone was very unlucky with injuries and actually in my opinion could still have a future as a squad player for us. McGeady blows hot and cold but has shown in flashes what he can do.

You need a bit of luck with transfers unless you are paying mega bucks and even then you arent guaranteed- £50m for Torres ffs etc etc. The players that Martinez have signed like McCarthy, Lukaku, Besic, Deulofeu and maybe even Robles are young and gifted that had/can have an impact on our club.

I think he needs the summer to see what he can do, get rid of the dirty apples and bring in some new blood to freshen the place up again. If we are still looking shaky come October we need to have a look at it.

I have a massive belief that this second season has bit him in the ass and certain players who took to him last season arent pulling their weight this year.

 

[davek]

It's the insipid performances and lack of cohesion as a unit for me that is down to the manager. I don't blame him for all the individual errors this season that have resulted in us not only dropping points but has contributed massively to our loss of confidence. That's not Martinez' fault.

What is his fault is thinking that he can just play our way through this bad patch keeping faith with players who are not playing well hoping they can turn it around.

When players come in and play well only to get splinters in their arse next time one of the 'old pros' are back, despite the 'old pro' having a mare of a season, is just not good management, however you try and dress it up. The buck stops with Martinez and he isn't doing his job to standard.

Gibson and Osman aren't players you play twice in 5 days.

 

[edge]

Why? We were 12th at Christmas. I dont see how a few months after that first season ended and we slipped to that point a change of manager was called for.

Terrible season. Get to the summer and let this manager make his changes.

This season will be a total waste if we dont allow the man at the centre of it the chance to draw on that experience and make us better for it.

Is 12th good enough? I have no faith in him anymore , wanted him to work out but he just don't change , I don't think he will Next season or any other time either.
whoever took over was getting an ageing squad but he hasn't shown me anything to say he is the manager to get us moving forward, football's awful it's not bad luck we are were we are in the prem it's deserved.
hope I am wrong but I don't think we are the right club for him or him for us.


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[scorgie95]

I didn't I'll admit that.

I'll also admit I didn't believe a manager could train the confidence out of a defensive unit so quickly.

So if Moyes was the striker killer, Martinez is effectively a dambuster?

 

[Blue Cheese]

Gibson and Osman aren't players you play twice in 5 days.

Fair comment, Robles and Garbutt etc are.

 

[Kieno]

I don't blame him for all the individual errors this season that have resulted in us not only dropping points but has contributed massively to our loss of confidence. That's not Martinez' fault.

When he picks error prone players, yes it is absolutely his fault

 

[marty mcfly]

I do 90 minute flip flops? I dont think that's right is it?

A flip flop is when you make a change and then change back straight away.

Changing your opinion after a game, after a whole season of poor performances is simply making a decision.

Have you never heard the phrase "straw that broke the camels back"?

Seriously wait until the QPR game before defending him because after that I fear his position might be untenable.

 

[Blue Cheese]

When he picks error prone players, yes it is absolutely his fault

the next paragraph covered that.

 

[maccavennie]

I know you were in the 'In' camp, so I respect you're opinion mate. But the reason we're getting such up and down form is the reason you formerly backed him on: the form of players and the knowledge that better players for the system he plays will produce better form. That hasn't changed at all.

We can do better next season, much better. If we dont I'll be in the place you are right now. But it's crazy feverish talk after Sunday's game against Newcastle to be calling for a dismissal right now.

Yes mate you know I hold the majority of the players accountable for this joke of a season. The problem I have is that you simply can't sack 11 players who have underperformed for the whole season. It just doesn't happen. Someone takes the fall for that and that has to go straight down to the manager as these are supposedly playing his tactics and following his orders.

I simply can't stomach these gang of shythouses under his stewardship any longer Dave so something should give imo.

Assuming we scrape through this season 14th or whatever, a continuation of this type of form and lack of cohesion and I would basically give him no longer than 6 games next season. I wouldn't dare wait until October to write off another season. Pressure is all on him, Evertonians will back endeavour, honesty, commitment and desire but they won't be taken by fools rolling out soundbites that have little to no meaning to what we are witnessing on the pitch.

Roll on Sunday and lets see which Everton turn up

 

[Cojo88]

That's fine mate.

He is a good tackler and has a great engine, but has zero creativity and scores far too few goals.

That's my assessment of him.

Spot on! Cost £9m more than Besic but does little more. Everyone raves about his great engine. Shouldn't that be a minimum requirement for a Premier League centre mid? If that's all it takes we might as well sign George Boyd for £20m this summer as he has run the most in the league this season.

 

[davek]

Is 12th good enough? I have no faith in him anymore , wanted him to work out but he just don't change , I don't think he will Next season or any other time either.
whoever took over was getting an ageing squad but he hasn't shown me anything to say he is the manager to get us moving forward, football's awful it's not bad luck we are were we are in the prem it's deserved.
hope I am wrong but I don't think we are the right club for him or him for us.


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...but all of that flies in the face of the evidence of what happened last season. If we'd been a battling mid-table side last season there's no way I or anyone else could argue with those points you make, but the reality is the feller has proven that with players on song and the rub of the green going our way we can compete at the top end of this league.

That's the sticking point over Martinez, and I'm sure it's one that's firmly in the mind of the people who have the real say so on whether he stays or goes.

We are at a crossroads here and for the sake of keeping faith for next season we could be letting go a man who can take us places. That has to be nagging away at even the people who are losing faith in him.

 

[edge]

A flip flop is when you make a change and then change back straight away.

Changing your opinion after a game, after a whole season of poor performances is simply making a decision.

Have you never heard the phrase "straw that broke the camels back"?

Seriously wait until the QPR game before defending him because after that I fear his position might be untenable.

We can't even think of getting beat by them