Deco
Player Valuation: £40m
Of course mate but surely the players have their concerns after this season? Even they need a reminder of how good we can be otherwise we're in danger of losing our best players.
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Of course mate but surely the players have their concerns after this season? Even they need a reminder of how good we can be otherwise we're in danger of losing our best players.
Honestly, I never expected us to win the europa so this was basically how I thought it would end.
No trophies is disapointing but I wanted to stick with Martinez under the assumption that this would happen so I still do.
I enjoyed our european adventures, anyway. I wanted us to prove a team to be feared and to lay down a marker and we did that vs wolfsburg. Shame we played so badly tonight and it's something that needs to be looked at but we've done far worse in europe before than this.
No trophies is disapointing but I wanted to stick with Martinez under the assumption that this would happen so I still do.
I enjoyed our european adventures, anyway. I wanted us to prove a team to be feared and to lay down a marker and we did that vs wolfsburg. Shame we played so badly tonight and it's something that needs to be looked at but we've done far worse in europe before than this.
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah that half a game was great.
It's a worry but honestly given the way our best players have been playing, not that big a one.
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I am still undecided whether I want Martinez out or not. Call me a dildo but I want to see what Martinez can do with time... but he is trying my patience at the moment.
Those wanting Slaven Billic? Behave.
Those wanting David Moyes? Seeya
He's not going. The sooner people will realise this the better, we will be able to have serious discussions about why our centre halves wear coloured boots, why Lukaku is better with dreadlocks and why our goalkeeper should shave off his beard as it doesn't hide the fact that he's forgotten how to do his job anymore.
Those wanting Slaven Billic? Behave.
Those wanting David Moyes? Seeya
He's not going. The sooner people will realise this the better, we will be able to have serious discussions about why our centre halves wear coloured boots, why Lukaku is better with dreadlocks and why our goalkeeper should shave off his beard as it doesn't hide the fact that he's forgotten how to do his job anymore.
FTY
Player Valuation: £80m
Sorry if that offended anyone. I use it in the same context I would ''div'' etc.
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
You are a dildo.
Martinez IN
yes he messed up tonight by not dragging Alacaraz off the pitch at half time and re-shaping our defence. Yes he messed up by not playing a tighter game away from home but he's still our manager and I still back him. He will get things right and will still prove everybody wrong. At the start of the competition I wouldn't have believed we would get to the last 16 with ease and I'm pleased with the progress we've made in Europe.
yes he messed up tonight by not dragging Alacaraz off the pitch at half time and re-shaping our defence. Yes he messed up by not playing a tighter game away from home but he's still our manager and I still back him. He will get things right and will still prove everybody wrong. At the start of the competition I wouldn't have believed we would get to the last 16 with ease and I'm pleased with the progress we've made in Europe.
2003-04
If his first full season had been a pleasant surprise, Moyes's second was something of a reality check for all concerned and the manner in which his team's form collapsed in the final weeks of the campaign amid speculation that he had "lost the dressing room" would pose his second daunting challenge as Everton manager.
Things went awry for the Blues more or less from the outset of the 2003-04 campaign, with a return of just one win from their first five games. As Moyes tried to find the right balance in a team that now featured the precocious talents and attitude of one Wayne Rooney, that record didn't really improve until a purple patch of three wins and a draw from five league games in December that, in hindsight, kept the club in the Premier League that season.
The standard of football exhibited by his players deteriorated into a more direct approach that was short on guile and long on grit and physique while his increasing emphasis on hard work, effort, work rate, and other such industrial metrics didn't appear to sit well with many of his players, including — crucially — some of the veteran players.
The manager's intransigence in the face of resistance from his squad and the consequent impact on morale saw the Blues slump to the lowest points total in a season (using 3 points for a win) for any Everton side in over 100 years! Things had degenerated to such an alarming impasse that, as soon as the security of 39 points was attained, the players appeared to have given up in a sulk, culminating in the atrocious 5-1 at Manchester City on the final day.
If his first full season had been a pleasant surprise, Moyes's second was something of a reality check for all concerned and the manner in which his team's form collapsed in the final weeks of the campaign amid speculation that he had "lost the dressing room" would pose his second daunting challenge as Everton manager.
Things went awry for the Blues more or less from the outset of the 2003-04 campaign, with a return of just one win from their first five games. As Moyes tried to find the right balance in a team that now featured the precocious talents and attitude of one Wayne Rooney, that record didn't really improve until a purple patch of three wins and a draw from five league games in December that, in hindsight, kept the club in the Premier League that season.
The standard of football exhibited by his players deteriorated into a more direct approach that was short on guile and long on grit and physique while his increasing emphasis on hard work, effort, work rate, and other such industrial metrics didn't appear to sit well with many of his players, including — crucially — some of the veteran players.
The manager's intransigence in the face of resistance from his squad and the consequent impact on morale saw the Blues slump to the lowest points total in a season (using 3 points for a win) for any Everton side in over 100 years! Things had degenerated to such an alarming impasse that, as soon as the security of 39 points was attained, the players appeared to have given up in a sulk, culminating in the atrocious 5-1 at Manchester City on the final day.
FTY
Player Valuation: £80m
You're a dildo
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
that's all I got from that post too
Why do you think he's going to, or even capable of, working on defence and set pieces when he hasn't bothered all season?
Possibilities are:
1) He's really, really dumb and doesn't see the problem. Struggle to believe this one, since the staff and players could tell him that.
2) Sees it, but doesn't care. Then he's grossly incompetent and should be nowhere near a football team. Which leaves...
3) Sees it, but him and his staff lack the coaching skills to do anything about it.
Whatever it is, it doesn't look good.
Possibilities are:
1) He's really, really dumb and doesn't see the problem. Struggle to believe this one, since the staff and players could tell him that.
2) Sees it, but doesn't care. Then he's grossly incompetent and should be nowhere near a football team. Which leaves...
3) Sees it, but him and his staff lack the coaching skills to do anything about it.
Whatever it is, it doesn't look good.
Deco
Player Valuation: £40m
Lukaku though? He's the one player who despite having his doubters has been scoring goals. He'll easily surpass 20 goals in all competition, and he'll surely have teams interested?
Latchford78
Player Valuation: £225k
I didn't say it was rubbish, I wanted to know what was great about it. When I started to follow EFC in the mid 60s, right through to the mid 90s,a 5th place finish and no trophy was considered a failure. Now unfortunately it's become "great"? How sad.
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