Nigel Martyn, Tim Cahill, Kevin Campbell, Marcus Bent, Mikel Arteta, Tim Howard, Steven Pienaar, Seamus Coleman, Darron Gibson, Bryan Oviedo, John Stones.
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Nigel Martyn, Tim Cahill, Kevin Campbell, Marcus Bent, Mikel Arteta, Tim Howard, Steven Pienaar, Seamus Coleman, Darron Gibson, Bryan Oviedo, John Stones.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
CBA to look. What did we pay for Jags and Baines? Seem to recall £3m ish for Jags, but no idea about Baines. In the £5-10m range? Dunno.
Fearthainn
Player Valuation: £30m
Pienaar cost 6.5 million over the two transfers you monster.
And we got £3m from Spurs for him, so £3.5m overall. Even if you wanted to use that logic for some reason, still under £5m.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We all know he got bargains in. My point still stands: to talk about his transfer record you can't close your eyes to the absolute turkeys he brought in for an arm and a leg. And I said that in the context of complaints about Martinez wasting cash on Kone.
How is that "pure guff"?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's because you dive in and don't read posts correctly.
Because his successes far, far outweigh his negatives, obviously. To say that he was "not so" good outside the £5-10m range is nonsense - he brought in players for around a fifth of their true value regularly, at a rate of one every season he was here at least. £2.5m for Arteta, a player worth at least £15m based on his time here and a player we sold on for four times his initial value after years of top service from him? The same price for Cahill, a modern day club legend, who was worth £15m+ in his prime and was a lynchpin for us? Nigel Martyn and Kevin Campbell, who were brought in and saved the club incalculable amount by keeping us up instantly?
Compare all that to players we actually didn't lose that much on at all, like Beattie, Bilyaletdinov and Kroldrup? Seriously?
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Fairly sure I did. Then comprehensively told you why that's pure, utter insanity. Whilst still being an aggressive Moyes critic by the way.
Martinez can't hold a candle to Moyes in the transfer market - not at least on his current record. What he can hold a candle to him in (and much more beyond) is actual managerial capability to instill belief in players, but the big question moving forward is whether that is enough.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What has sell on price got to do with it?
Look, the only real poor deal cut by Martinez is the money paid for Kone. The rest of the perceived poor deals have been nothing expensive.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Really? You'll have to talk me through the amount of cash you feel Martinez has wasted so far.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Talk about desperation.
Daveks head is clearly wobbling from the fact that Martinez has had us win the last 3 games by playing Moyes-esque agricultural hoofball (you know, by not passing it around the defense for 5 mins till we concede a goal) and he knows that goes against everything he's said on the subject.
Thus he is even more insane than normal and trying to say Moyes was crap at transfers to deflect the heat.
Really sad to watch.
Daveks head is clearly wobbling from the fact that Martinez has had us win the last 3 games by playing Moyes-esque agricultural hoofball (you know, by not passing it around the defense for 5 mins till we concede a goal) and he knows that goes against everything he's said on the subject.
Thus he is even more insane than normal and trying to say Moyes was crap at transfers to deflect the heat.
Really sad to watch.
The value of the initial transfer obviously, and whether the correct money was paid and value was got out of the player. For example, you called Heitinga a "flop", yet for four seasons he was a first team regular and played well over 100 games for the club. That's value. Kroldrup was a flop, but even then we recouped most of the fee.
As I said about Martinez, luckily he's got the expensive transfers right thus far - McCarthy and Lukaku. But overall he's about 1 in 2 in terms of success. That sort of ratio isn't good enough in the long run, so it needs to be improved - all it would take is one of two £15m punts on an overpriced variant of McGeady to put us right in the pan.
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