Martinez press conference vs Arsenal

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Dexter said:
I'm viewing it from all the years he's played for England, he's been on the whole ****e except for the odd long range goal, true world class players make a difference who ever they play for, a total spawnbag he is
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Argentina has never seen the best of Messi, is it because he's not world class or just the expectations are too high and the players around him aren't that good?
 
Artetafan said:
If Aguero, Tevez, Riquelme, Veron, Higuain, Banaga, di maria and the like aren't that good, god knows what our players are.
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Add Messi's name to that list, and then tell me who's the best player, then put them in order of who's been the best for Argentina, Messi probably wouldn't make most people's top 3 but it certainly doesn't mean he's not world class does it.

Gerrard's been world class, to deny that people are either being ignorant or just partisan.
 
Dithering Dougie said:
Add Messi's name to that list, and then tell me who's the best player, then put them in order of who's been the best for Argentina, Messi probably wouldn't make most people's top 3 but it certainly doesn't mean he's not world class does it.

Gerrard's been world class, to deny that people are either being ignorant or just partisan.
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Are you Andy Gray?
 
Dithering Dougie said:
Add Messi's name to that list, and then tell me who's the best player, then put them in order of who's been the best for Argentina, Messi probably wouldn't make most people's top 3 but it certainly doesn't mean he's not world class does it.

Gerrard's been world class, to deny that people are either being ignorant or just partisan.
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hasn't won a league title, or performed internationally, just misses out on being world class for me, very good, but not quite good enough to make the top lists
 
Walken said:
hasn't won a league title, or performed internationally, just misses out on being world class for me, very good, but not quite good enough to make the top lists
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Like I say performing for the national team shouldn't necessarily be an defining characteristic, never should league winners medals. Just ask Phil Neville who's got more...;)
 
Walken said:
When I say winning a league title, I don't mean a glorified cone collector like neville, I mean being a lynchpin in a title win team like Keane or Viera
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Careful now Walken your in danger if crying it in for them this season pal! :oops:

Gerrard could have signed for Chelsea or Utd a number of times during his career and won the league often, it shouldn't be a yardstick to measure him by.
 
Dithering Dougie said:
Careful now Walken your in danger if crying it in for them this season pal! :oops:

Gerrard could have signed for Chelsea or Utd a number of times during his career and won the league often, it shouldn't be a yardstick to measure him by.
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no chance of that happening, I will honestly emigrate if they do. Yeah maybe, but coupled with his failure at international level, just leaves too many holes in his CV, his liverpool team at one point had himself, torres, alonso, and mascherano in it and he still couldn't drag them to a title
 
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