bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
starting a thread and posting the same daft thing in 3 or so threads mate, cut the spamming out lad
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starting a thread and posting the same daft thing in 3 or so threads mate, cut the spamming out lad
JakeCOYB
Player Valuation: £500k
Just wanted people to notice it lad, thought it was funny...
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Samuels the fat bearded whoppers follow up piece due to the amount of criticsm he's been getting over the original story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...noia-football-fans-never-ceases-amaze-me.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...noia-football-fans-never-ceases-amaze-me.html
yelyah
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lol lol lol
Digging himself a bigger and bigger grave with each day.
It didn't stop Chelsea selling Mata to United.
If a team pays good money that matches Chelsea valuation, they'll sell him just like they did with Mata.
Oh my word that is terrible. He's an absolute tit who hasn't been relevant for years.
Time to pack it in.
efcfanwirral
Player Valuation: £30m
Tommy Chong
Player Valuation: £70m
Wow, just wow! What an absolute tit... Do one you schmuck!
Mr. F
Player Valuation: £500k
This is the perspective I don't understand, how would removing the loan system be a solution to rich clubs stockpiling players? Surely wage caps and a limit to the size of squads would be more effective to achieve this. Samuel clearly states that the problem is that Everton, in his opinion, may possibly qualify for Champions league because of Lukaku and Barry. For him it would be more fair if they were bought for whatever price Chelsea and City would ask, he suggested £6m for Barry. In other words he doesn't really care if there's a level playing field or what's fair or not, unless a not so rich club doesn't find a way to use the system to gain an advantage. The loan system is fine, if the aim is to resolve the problems addressed by the financial fair play, then removing or drastically changing the loan system is definitely starting in the wrong end.
georgie
Player Valuation: £100k
I think it's difficult to predict, but I see Samuel's point that the model Martinez is using is difficult to maintain in the long term - if we get champions league and become genuine challengers to to Chelsea, City, Barcelona etc, will those clubs really be willing to lend us their best players? But I think you're right that abolishing the loan system wouldn't be enough on its own - maybe if there was also a 25-30 player squad limit as well, that would help drive down the price of young talent?
I'd say they will sell to us all right if the deal suits then.
But now we are establishing ourselves as a force to be reckoned with once more, I think we can forget about both Chelsea and Citeh loaning us players again.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
Probably yes. When Chelsea (or any big club) come calling they bring loads of money and CL/title winning potential. If they are signing a teenager the pitch is that they are the (insert position) of the future and will be getting first team time when they are older. I really don't think it would make that much difference. A lot of these guys don't expect to be loaned out -- they think they deserve to start for their own clubs. Del wants to start for Barca next year; Rom wanted to play for Chelsea this year. They may both be wrong about what their respective managers think but nobody signs thinking "I am going to sit the hell of this bench" -- they all think they are going to earn their way into first team time sooner rather than later. I really doubt it would make such a massive material difference that the top clubs stop signing these players and they fall to us for significantly less cash.
Garrick
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The guy did a lot of backpedaling in a followup Q&A: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...noia-football-fans-never-ceases-amaze-me.html
I do agree with the basic premise though that the loan system should go.
It's what allows clubs like Chelsea to eat up so many young players from across the world then keep them satisfied with the proverbial bread and circuses of playing for other clubs on loan, while simultaneously not being able to play against Chelsea. No loans and players are more likely to stay at their current club and get regular playing time. Basically it'll be harder to unsettle a young player because the big clubs will have less to offer them.
This was one response in that followup that I found interesting:
Nothing would make me happier. Plucky little Everton cause the Sky 4 to circle the wagons and turn the guns on themselves. Love it.
I do agree with the basic premise though that the loan system should go.
It's what allows clubs like Chelsea to eat up so many young players from across the world then keep them satisfied with the proverbial bread and circuses of playing for other clubs on loan, while simultaneously not being able to play against Chelsea. No loans and players are more likely to stay at their current club and get regular playing time. Basically it'll be harder to unsettle a young player because the big clubs will have less to offer them.
This was one response in that followup that I found interesting:
Nothing would make me happier. Plucky little Everton cause the Sky 4 to circle the wagons and turn the guns on themselves. Love it.
Mr. F
Player Valuation: £500k
Martinez has said that in order to be competitive we need to develop our team, there's three ways to do this, work constantly on the current group and their skills, develop young talents and ad them to the squad, and finally buy and loan players and bring them into the squad to improve.
Buying players is a shortcut to that winning team we are aiming for and we are able to buy some players even if we can't afford to waste money on bad signings like certain of our competitors can. The loan system allows us to have hungry talented future stars from some of the big European clubs playing with us and our willingness to use Deulofeu has been noticed beyond Barca. When Traore and Deulofeu goes there's room for two new ones, which won't be hard to attract given our reputation for quality football.
Barca themselves have been impressed by the way Deulofeu has improved different aspects that he might not have been able to had he not played here. The loan players will make an impact from time to time but they aren't meant to be core players in the squad, but a means to increase our squad with international talent and improve competition. Nor will a few players on loan hinder the development of young British talent, just look at the strides made by Barkley and Stones this season, bought by Moyes mind you but Martinez has shown them the patience needed to confidently break through.
So yes the system will work in years to come, but hopefully CL football will afford us some more transfer funds as well. Also, welcome to the forum
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Personally my main issue with article and its follow up is the conclusion that because there are flaws in the loan system the whole thing should be abolished rather than reformed. Its such a knee jerk reaction and he doesn't even bother to sketch out what the situation would be if it was abolished.
Clubs would have squads that accurately reflected their finances but this would only further entrench the superiority of those that currently have money. Short of a sugar daddy the only way a club like Everton can get a huge boost in revenue is to get into Europe but that is very hard to do without the players. Even if we develop a great youngster like Rooney, day to day survival often means we have to sell them.
He claims that it would stop the stockpiling of kids at the big clubs but provides no evidence as to why this would be the case. Perhaps they would still collect them due to the attraction of high wages but even less would ever get to play football for any club.
And for all the problems associated with them, at least the big clubs can afford quality coaches, training equipment and medical staff to make the most of a kids talent. Players like Ricky Lambert and Ian Wright have made it through without the support of an academy but there are not many of them.
Clubs would have squads that accurately reflected their finances but this would only further entrench the superiority of those that currently have money. Short of a sugar daddy the only way a club like Everton can get a huge boost in revenue is to get into Europe but that is very hard to do without the players. Even if we develop a great youngster like Rooney, day to day survival often means we have to sell them.
He claims that it would stop the stockpiling of kids at the big clubs but provides no evidence as to why this would be the case. Perhaps they would still collect them due to the attraction of high wages but even less would ever get to play football for any club.
And for all the problems associated with them, at least the big clubs can afford quality coaches, training equipment and medical staff to make the most of a kids talent. Players like Ricky Lambert and Ian Wright have made it through without the support of an academy but there are not many of them.
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £40m
This is the ridiculous bit. The rich clubs have spent years stockpiling talent, spending as much money as they possibly can to get europes top talent nto their doors. Taking huge risks with players and ruining their future prospects by shutting them out. While the club deem these players not currently good enough to be part of their team, they loand them out for them to gain experience. All the while this players value is rising, meaning thet the rich club can sell at a profit to the club that has become dependent and use this as income, allowing them to spend more on established players under the FFP rules set out by the friends of the rich clubs.
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