Martin Samuel's loan market articles

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Martin Samuel is a West Ham fan. West Ham currently have four players on loan (Johnson, Armero, Nocerino & Borriello). Unfortunately for the scale breaking Mr Samuel, they are not very good. Note to Martin - put down that stone and you will not break anything in your bubble filled glass house

We did him a massive favour with Traore, then!!
 
It looks like sections of the meejah are gearing up to make an issue of this.

talkSPORT had Roberto on its sports news just now claiming that "Roberto Martinez has rejected growing criticism of Everton's use of the loan system".

(though the only sense in which it is "growing" Samuel's girth)

They interviewed Bob and he said that the criticism was "ridiculous".

I bet that bugger Durham devotes a chunk of his programme this afternoon to Samuel's rant.
 
Hi first post here (more or less) so go easy. I'm not going to make it easy on myself either, because I actually agree with Samuel's point here. The way I read it, he's not criticising Everton per se (in fact he says Martinez has done a great job and that he hopes we get top 4), but the loan system in general. And I agree: I think at the very least loan players should be able to play against their parent clubs (as is the case in Spain), and also they shouldn't be allowed to be loaned to clubs in the same division or abroad.

The problem with the system as it is is that it allows the rich clubs to stockpile massive amounts of good young players and gives no hope to smaller clubs of buying them. If Chelsea weren't allowed to loan players to divisions except for the Championship or below, would the 20-odd players they've got on loan at the moment have joined them in the first place, knowing they'd probably never get first team football? And the players they had who weren't regularly part of the matchday squad would be keener to leave so their price would be pushed down. We've all read interviews with Lukaku and seen how desperate he is to play football and improve - if he had been stuck in Chelsea's reserves for two seasons then surely he'd have put in a transfer request, which would have driven down his transfer fee.

HOWEVER, the system is what it is, and noone can criticise Bobby for taking advantage of it and being far better at doing so than any other manager in the league. But I think in the long term, the league would be more equal without the loan system as it is than with it.
 
The sad thing is that the bloke who wrote is respected by his peers. Oh dear. Says a lot about the rest of them really.


Exactly.

Gin soaked old lushes the lot of them.

And these guys have been living high on the hog following United and Arsenal in CL campaigns for nigh on two decades.

They have obviously been befriended by club officials and players and are now miffed at the thoughts of new teams entering the mix and their snout not being in the trough.
 
The loan system should be binned imo

It will stop the bigger clubs buying every young prospect in sight then shipping them out to other clubs
 
Hi first post here (more or less) so go easy. I'm not going to make it easy on myself either, because I actually agree with Samuel's point here. The way I read it, he's not criticising Everton per se (in fact he says Martinez has done a great job and that he hopes we get top 4), but the loan system in general. And I agree: I think at the very least loan players should be able to play against their parent clubs (as is the case in Spain), and also they shouldn't be allowed to be loaned to clubs in the same division or abroad.

The problem with the system as it is is that it allows the rich clubs to stockpile massive amounts of good young players and gives no hope to smaller clubs of buying them. If Chelsea weren't allowed to loan players to divisions except for the Championship or below, would the 20-odd players they've got on loan at the moment have joined them in the first place, knowing they'd probably never get first team football? And the players they had who weren't regularly part of the matchday squad would be keener to leave so their price would be pushed down. We've all read interviews with Lukaku and seen how desperate he is to play football and improve - if he had been stuck in Chelsea's reserves for two seasons then surely he'd have put in a transfer request, which would have driven down his transfer fee.

HOWEVER, the system is what it is, and noone can criticise Bobby for taking advantage of it and being far better at doing so than any other manager in the league. But I think in the long term, the league would be more equal without the loan system as it is than with it.

I don't think those players are told that they'll never play when they join. Besides, they offer a 19 year old lad a shed load of money and most of the time they'll say yes.
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but Samuel has posted a reply to the criticism he's received for the article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...noia-football-fans-never-ceases-amaze-me.html

Funny how he is complaining about the fans being "paranoid" yet he has resorted to tp writing about it again and is taking enough umbrage with people to make nit picking points in an effort to refute their comments.

The fat fecker would be better laying his aside and stopping digging.

For the record he contradicts himeslf.

When a fan mentioned the Glen Keeley loan he went to great lengths to explain how that haplesss gentleman was sent back after the most disastrous cameo appearanve in Everton history.

He doesn't have a probloem with Glen Keeley.

Why?

Because that loan was unsuccessful.
 
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