2020/21 Marcel Brands

[Saint Domingo]

If they got shut of Brands any incoming DoF (and we hope the role is scrapped, of course) would be faced with getting shut of players brought in by Brands:

Bernard
Delph
Gbamin
Iwobi
Kean

or those he couldn't shift after 3 years of trying like:

Besic
Bolasie
Niasse

That's about £150M worth of financial waste in fees and the wages are a massive drain.

Gbamin has been injured and will probably be straight back into the squad once he’s fit. Bernard was free and could be sold for pure profit. Delph would turn a book profit now, so too would Kean.

Whatever problem the manager had from selling a few deadwood players I’m sure he could console himself with crafting a team out of James, DCL, Richarlison, Digne, Allan, Doucoure.

 

[davek]

Gbamin has been injured and will probably be straight back into the squad once he’s fit. Bernard was free and could be sold for pure profit. Delph would turn a book profit now, so too would Kean.

Whatever problem the manager had from selling a few deadwood players I’m sure he could console himself with crafting a team out of James, DCL, Richarlison, Digne, Allan, Doucoure.

Im sure there's a way of calculating Brands' worth that arrives at the conclusion that it's break even with him. However, is that all we looked to do with his appointment?

He hasn't boosted the club one bit. It's taken a manager with contacts to class players to transform us. THAT is the cold hard reality of the situation.

Brands leaving would not have an impact on Everton. That's the truth of the matter. Major decisions on players and coaches are taken over his head.

 

[Neiler]

Im sure there's a way of calculating Brands' worth that arrives at the conclusion that it's break even with him. However, is that all we looked to do with his appointment?

He hasn't boosted the club one bit. It's taken a manager with contacts to class players to transform us. THAT is the cold hard reality of the situation.

Brands leaving would not have an impact on Everton. That's the truth of the matter. Major decisions on players and coaches are taken over his head.

Its an interesting one isnt it, how do weigh his performance is it financial, squad value, is it improved PL finishes, European football.

All we have to go on is Walsh and he qualified for Europe in his first year and got the bullet.

 

[davek]

Its an interesting one isnt it, how do weigh his performance is it financial, squad value, is it improved PL finishes, European football.

All we have to go on is Walsh and he qualified for Europe in his first year and got the bullet.

For me it's on three things:

1/ what has he added to the club in terms of quality of player?
2/ has he spent well in terms of cost of players?
3/ is the club governance in his hands and are we following his vision?

I dont think he comes out well in any of those three categories.

 

[collymcd]

There is no doubting Ancelotti coming has made Brands job easier as he helps pull top players to the club. Over the next few windows Marcel can use this to his advantage in sourcing the best young talent and it would be strange if he decides to go at this point where he can enhance his reputation at one of the most exciting projects in Europe.

I have no doubts the club are happy with his work and he will be offered a new deal. The only slight question mark would be is Moshiri still getting involved with player targets (all the rumours regarding Iwobi) and if that is the case he may decide to up sticks. Ancelotti would not be overruling Brands, I'm pretty sure between them they come to an agreement about who comes in. It's not in Carlo's style to ride roughshod all over the place.

Hopefully the gravitas Ancelotti brings is keeping Moshiri from meddling. Carlo combined with Marcel should have enough between them to talk Moshiri out of going after ill-fitting players again.

What an exciting couple of Windows ahead with Carlo's pull, though. This last window has probably been our best ever. If we do half of that in the next windows we'll be making huge progress year on year.

When Carlo said we'll be challenging for the league title he wasn't messing about.

 

[Neiler]

For me it's on three things:

1/ what has he added to the club in terms of quality of player?
2/ has he spent well in terms of cost of players?
3/ is the club governance in his hands and are we following his vision?

I dont think he comes out well in any of those three categories.

The worry for me is always people tend think its about good windows or bad windows, there is more, but it is part of it.

To answer you point though 1) Yes, the here and now, Year 1 - optimistic, Year 2 - Horrow Show, Year 3 - so far so good - query who the lightening rod is.

2) Yes mixed views, this year we did well in a stilted market, Carlo was a big enabler as the lightening rod. Id query fees and wages on Bernard and Yerry for contribution. Iwobi & Delph very poor. About cuts muster on the rest. I think he sold some very good players i wouldn't have. Was very dissapointed with massive gaping holes in the lines at times - year 1 upfront, year 2 central midfield and at the back. Year 3 we had to invest massive resources again in poisititons that were priortised and recruited for the year before.

3) Id give him credit for bringing down the average age of the squad, i dont think there is one through philosophy running through the club, each age group seem to do thier own thing.

For me i think there is a commerce aspect to it to, we are posting the biggest financial losses in our histroy and getting literally nothing in terms of income from selling players and or an inability to sell players, he cant give players away - not hyperbole. We can sign who we want its irrelevant in a way if you continue loosing money hand over his fist - which we do. That aspect has been poor.

You mention boost - under his tenure up to this point we havent finished any higher in fact we have finished lower then the previous regimes that were in place before we came in and Europe has looked out of reach.

We can have all the big named players we want but there needs to be an an outcome on and off th e pitch that thus far hasnt come to pass.

Im open minded on him, i think Carlo makes his job 80% easier, so lets see how this season goes. Dont think ill ever get my head around the blind faith in him though, hes an administrator of the club they are all accountable and their performances reviewed as club employees - as it should be.

I want him to do well its good for Everton.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

For me it's on three things:

1/ what has he added to the club in terms of quality of player?
2/ has he spent well in terms of cost of players?
3/ is the club governance in his hands and are we following his vision?

I dont think he comes out well in any of those three categories.

I think we can view it 2 ways.

Brands had a good first year, but the recruitment last Summer was shocking for various reasons.

This Summer we have the pull of Ancelotti and he is certainly the factor in the club attracting who we have.

But I look at the recruitment of Branthwaite, Nkounkou and Jagne and expect that Carlo has little involvement in those purchases. Also the transfer outlays have been mightily impressive. We have transformed the entire ethos of the club for not much more than Chelsea paid for Kai Havertz.

I would like to see the partnership of Ancelotti and Brands grow. We are on the right path finally, so why change anything.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal wanted certain players at United but Woodward couldn’t deliver them. Pochettino has had a similar problem at Spurs, Arteta hasn’t had all the players he wanted.

Ancelotti gave Brands a wish list and Brands made it happen. Nothing else to see here. They’re both top operators.

 

[davek]

The worry for me is always people tend think its about good windows or bad windows, there is more, but it is part of it.

To answer you point though 1) Yes, the here and now, Year 1 - optimistic, Year 2 - Horrow Show, Year 3 - so far so good - query who the lightening rod is.

2) Yes mixed views, this year we did well in a stilted market, Carlo was a big enabler as the lightening rod. Id query fees and wages on Bernard and Yerry for contribution. Iwobi & Delph very poor. About cuts muster on the rest. I think he sold some very good players i wouldn't have. Was very dissapointed with massive gaping holes in the lines at times - year 1 upfront, year 2 central midfield and at the back. Year 3 we had to invest massive resources again in poisititons that were priortised and recruited for the year before.

3) Id give him credit for bringing down the average age of the squad, i dont think there is one through philosophy running through the club, each age group seem to do thier own thing.

For me i think there is a commerce aspect to it to, we are posting the biggest financial losses in our histroy and getting literally nothing in terms of income from selling players and or an inability to sell players, he cant give players away - not hyperbole. We can sign who we want its irrelevant in a way if you continue loosing money hand over his fist - which we do. That aspect has been poor.

You mention boost - under his tenure up to this point we havent finished any higher in fact we have finished lower then the previous regimes that were in place before we came in and Europe has looked out of reach.

We can have all the big named players we want but there needs to be an an outcome on and off th e pitch that thus far hasnt come to pass.

Im open minded on him, i think Carlo makes his job 80% easier, so lets see how this season goes. Dont think ill ever get my head around the blind faith in him though, hes an administrator of the club they are all accountable and their performances reviewed as club employees - as it should be.

I want him to do well its good for Everton.

The contours of his time here are fairly clear to see. He's bought mediocre players for a lot of money for the most part. And buying and selling seems the beginning and end of his remit, as he certainly wasn't the driving force behind managerial choices. If he does anything at all in terms of revamping the academy he keeps it well hidden. And I've seen no evidence of that happening.

Best case scenario that any of his supporters can make is that he's been hit and miss. We can lose Brands without us noticing.

 

[davek]

I think we can view it 2 ways.

Brands had a good first year, but the recruitment last Summer was shocking for various reasons.

This Summer we have the pull of Ancelotti and he is certainly the factor in the club attracting who we have.

But I look at the recruitment of Branthwaite, Nkounkou and Jagne and expect that Carlo has little involvement in those purchases. Also the transfer outlays have been mightily impressive. We have transformed the entire ethos of the club for not much more than Chelsea paid for Kai Havertz.

I would like to see the partnership of Ancelotti and Brands grow. We are on the right path finally, so why change anything.

I dont think he's done enough. And I believe the club dont either. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a parting of the ways. The club made a comment this week (or let it be known) at a time when we're on the up that talks of his future will be deferred, presumably so any subsequent downturn wont look like he's been thrown out of the club as a scapegoat.

 

[kev]

I dont think he's done enough. And I believe the club dont either. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a parting of the ways. The club made a comment this week (or let it be known) at a time when we're on the up that talks of his future will be deferred, presumably so any subsequent downturn wont look like he's been thrown out of the club as a scapegoat.

Really? I'm surprised you've never mentioned it.

 

[blue1948]

Really? I'm surprised you've never mentioned it.

The words "broken record " apply .

 

[davek]

Really? I'm surprised you've never mentioned it.

It's nothing personal with Brands. Yes, I've called him a few names in the past, but it's really down to the role he has at the club. It should be defunct. It cant and wont work here. Ancelotti's taking over the transfer activity this summer underlines that we as a club value a clear hierarchy of command and not a situation where no one takes responsibility.

This is an alien position brought into Everton by the carpet bagger.

 

[ParisToffee]

Personally, I think Brands has done a great job on trying to fix out all the issues that was at club before he arrived Ok as people believe all the rubbish quoted in all the media too, which since Brands arrived, rarely comes out of club before 90% of deal etc is sorted His here almost 3 years now, reduced greatly the size of the 1st team squad, has restructured the scouting and the u23 down the whole academy system as Unsworth just announced are finally structure that youth players find a structured path into 1st team

As Director of Football, which many here immediately opposed to idea of it, and even if he was making us huge profits every year, will still find the smallest of things to complain about :-( Brands has come out at AGM and said he has been disappointed the everything he had tried has'nt been a 100% success but at least he came out and talked to fans or admitted he was'nt happy at how things have gone

Now the ban for under age players is finally over, we ll see more of what he is renowned for happening and already we have seen the signings of Branthwaite, Nkounkou, Jagne and the Scandinavian lad show he has an eye for unknowns Same way all last summer we were linked to Sosa, Gaiche, Rienier etc from South America long before the Reals, Barca etc got them so we can see that our scouting system is upping its game

Everyone moaning about Delph and Iwobi because they ve not been immediate successes but Delph on paper was an intelligent choice but for whatever reason injuries and his attitude, which he never had before, have put huge doubts on his signing and Iwobi was never going to be accepted as media had we were buying Zaha for 80 million or 100 million so before signing on dotted line his never going to be given a chance :-(

Gbamin and Gomes both getting serious injuries, Glyfii in space of 6 months form falling off cliff due to age has'nt helped but saying why this year get midfielders in to sort issue as should have been done last year?

Lads on here did'nt want Kean for 28 million but wanted to pay 60 million for Danny Ings and were giving Tosun a free transfer to make room for Ings in squad but then moan about our losseson book for year? We had huge bloated lopsided squad of old, over paid on crazy wages and finally all that has been sorted mainly

I live in France and for years no one here had a clue who Everton was but now i meet young french kids who support everton due to Digne and before Zouma and Schneiderlin and have Marseille lads moan to me about Nkounkou PSG lads praising Gana too

Our profile has grown massively in South America , even we have more commercial deals than before Brands arrived and you can say its Moshiri/Usmanov etc but Brands was also part of that as he has put ideas to how to promote and improve the financial stability of club

Ancelloti is a good judge of character and immediately said he likes working hand in hand with him to organise the project All the young players, like Gordon and Gibson, only renewed contracts as said Brands sold them idea on way they can become part of 1st team His got rid of most of the 25/26 year olds who stuck around in U23s squad and we see now theres 5 or 6 u18s lads in that set up so thats got to be a good point that academy is starting to become stream lined?


We are all allowed to have an opinion on stuff but I'd rather look at maybe 80% of the positives that has happened rather than the 20% one of us think we could have done better !

 

[Toffeelover]

For me it's on three things:

1/ what has he added to the club in terms of quality of player?
2/ has he spent well in terms of cost of players?
3/ is the club governance in his hands and are we following his vision?

I dont think he comes out well in any of those three categories.

Well Dave give us your answers to each of your questions so that we can judge from your perspective.