2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Goat]

Walsh was a good head scout and should have been hired on that basis.

It all comes back to how completely clueless Moshiri is about football. His appointments up to Silva/Brand have been atrocious.

Hindsight Dave.

I know you wasnt Koemans biggest fan, but most of us thought the appointment of Koeman and Walsh was decent at the time. Sam we needed due to the crap we were in.

Nice to see you think Brands has been a good appointment tho.

 

[davek]

Hindsight Dave.

I know you wasnt Koemans biggest fan, but most of us thought the appointment of Koeman and Walsh was decent at the time. Sam we needed due to the crap we were in.

Nice to see you think Brands has been a good appointment tho.

Koeman = I actually backed that appointment. So I have no claims on hindsight. But he was the best of a poor bunch, and that was down to Moshiri's knowledge about who he sought to interview. He needed to hand that job to an expert.

Brands = I have nothing against him and hope he proves himself here. He hasn't so far. He's put in an adequate performance and gets the right to show us what he can do rather than handed plaudits already. That's my stance on him. Why, the moment another power broker comes into the club, does everyone hand them a blank cheque rather than see what they can achieve?

 

[Goat]

Koeman = I actually backed that appointment. So I have no claims on hindsight. But he was the best of a poor bunch, and that was down to Moshiri's knowledge about who he sought to interview. He needed to hand that job to an expert.

Brands = I have nothing against him and hope he proves himself here. He hasn't so far. He's put in an adequate performance and gets the right to show us what he can do rather than handed plaudits already. That's my stance on him. Why, the moment another power broker comes into the club, does everyone hand them a blank cheque rather than see what they can achieve?

The mosh only knows how to back his people, its a noble trait.

 

[davek]

The mosh only knows how to back his people, its a noble trait.

If that Iranian departed tomorrow we'd be no worse off. Thats the truth of the matter.

 

[Goat]

If that Iranian departed tomorrow we'd be no worse off. Thats the truth of the matter.

Well we would be 300m worse off for a start.

Cos he would want his interest free loan back, also you can forget a new stadium.

So yes Dave, we would be VASTLY worse off.

 

[davek]

Well we would be 300m worse off for a start.

Cos he would want his interest free loan back, also you can forget a new stadium.

So yes Dave, we would be VASTLY worse off.

I already have.

 

[Caolam]

We will see if Brands has got it over the summer. This summer could be very important for Everton Football Club, decisions on the manager and players have to be made and they have to be the right decisions or we can kiss the next 4 to 5 years goodbye.

 

[Goat]

We will see if Brands has got it over the summer. This summer could be very important for Everton Football Club, decisions on the manager and players have to be made and they have to be the right decisions or we can kiss the next 4 to 5 years goodbye.

We are realistically 4 or 5 years away from being able to compete anyway mate.

 

[EvertonFury19]

That's what they were. Dullards chosen by Moyes who (like him) were happy in their comfort zone.

Coward is a strong word to call any person regardless. Get your point about the Moyes era but calling someone a coward is harsh.

 

[collymcd]

Yes I agree with all of that.

My concern re Walsh came initially when he seemed to suggest his role was being around training a fair bit etc. I can't imagine Brands ever doing that, there is a clear separation in how he operates. It's very clear what his remit is and what his remit isn't. Being a sort of assistant manager sort (like Walsh was at Leicester) wasn't it.

There's no doubt to me he was undermined. We got him in late in the first window and it is my understanding he had an accident that made it difficult for him. In that vacuum a mixture of Koeman, Moshiri & Kenwright/Elstone began to step in and rather than having 1 plan outlined by Walsh we seemed to have 4 or 5 different ideas all merging together. In many ways I'd say the first summer window was worse than the 2nd, but Lukaku's 25 goals covered it up. Having a lad scoring 25 goals will cover a variety of sins.

Even when Brands was appointed, the Echo wrote that his remit would be different, and Walsh's was to "bring in young players" or something equivalent. How had that become his remit? That can't have been the remit he was recruited on. The likelihood to me would have been, with the force of character of Koeman and to a degree Kenwright a guy who naturally seemed at ease in the background snuck back their and allowed for a compromise to be in existence whereby he brought young players in and Koeman got what he wanted for the first team.

We've all probably done that too. When a forceful character is somewhere caved in to them and given them what they wanted. But within a business context it rarely works out well.

In fairness it's probably true to say that many of Walsh's signings could have been good, but he had some duds too. Gabbiadini has been a flop (though it smacked of a panic buy) Belfodil has done very little and in truth Sandro has been a poor buy (and that is a Walsh buy). So it's not all positives. However Koeman's insistence on PL experienced players (which lets face it are the ones he wanted) have been as a rule much worse. That to me is the quite clear demarcation in recruitment we have (with the marquee names being thrown in by Moshiri i.e. Coulibaly and Witsel).

Williams, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Klaassen have all been poor buys while it's taken Silva to rescue Keane (but Pickford has done well). But yes had we looked for cheaper alternatives to all of the above and had more of a mixture of Walsh's signings he may have been ok.

What's this about?

 

[Neiler]

Well we would be 300m worse off for a start.

Cos he would want his interest free loan back, also you can forget a new stadium.

So yes Dave, we would be VASTLY worse off.

The loan is unsecured so we wouldn’t owe him anything. Just to be technical.

Because of that he’s going no where.

 

[Groucho]

If that Iranian departed tomorrow we'd be no worse off. Thats the truth of the matter.

Not entirely sure about that y’know.

Well we would be 300m worse off for a start.

Cos he would want his interest free loan back, also you can forget a new stadium.

So yes Dave, we would be VASTLY worse off.

He would indeed want his cash back aye.

Hope its me you're trying to message.

I feel lonely.

For some reason this quote ended up in my multi quote here.

The loan is unsecured so we wouldn’t owe him anything. Just to be technical.

Because of that he’s going no where.

I’d hope you are right however I don’t profess to be an expert in football finance. I just know when the bank demand mortgage money from me.

Also I hope we retain Moshiri to be honest.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

The loan is unsecured so we wouldn’t owe him anything. Just to be technical.

Because of that he’s going no where.

We aren't going bankrupt so that's not going to matter. Thought he converted everything to equity, though?

 

[matty1878]

The loan is unsecured so we wouldn’t owe him anything. Just to be technical.

Because of that he’s going no where.

We need his best mate
And his money

 

[Neiler]

We aren't going bankrupt so that's not going to matter. Thought he converted everything to equity, though?

Not yet, he will though.

But he can’t leave and call in what he’s loaned us it’s unsecured.

A mortgage for example is almost always secured, i.e. if you don’t pay it the bank take your house.

Moshiri is playing a different game to turn a profit, which he will.