2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Nymzee]

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Not a massive difference, I mean they did get Kane for free.

Sickens me 5 of our Top 10 are/were completely naff.

 

[Neiler]

The above highlights that they have had their share of flops, but as you say their better players were all bought for utter peanuts.

They are proof of what can be done with the right recruitment, which Brands has shown hes very capable of in the past.

I wouldnt say they all flopped, Son is one of the best players in the league. Lamela is a good player, Moura scored and played at the weekend even Sissoko hasnt been bad this season since Dembele left. But i take your point, there are a few Solados in there. To be fair i remember us both bigging up Jansen on here. i thought he was the next big thing. lol But there will inevitably be a few a duds.

Whats very interesting and a learning really is there was narrative around at the time that they blew the Bale money. Im not sure they did, When you look at the players they brought in and what they sold them for they have and will make more money, Eriksen alone has to be worth more then the 90 mill they sold Bale for.

 

[Goat]

Sickens me 5 of our Top 10 are/were completely naff.

I bet not as sick as Spurs paying 19m for David Bentley when 19m was SERIOUS money.

 

[Nymzee]

I bet not as sick as Spurs paying 19m for David Bentley when 19m was SERIOUS money.

To be fair, he was quality once (IMO).

 

[catcherintherye]

All very true. I would just add the following....buying younger talent with a view to selling on at a profit is a simple strategy. The tricky bit comes if the team is successful and breaking up the team even gradually, would be wrong, just for the sake of the strategy. The point at which you intend selling any player becomes critical. Leave it too long and there is no value (lets call that The Mirallas Syndrome) Sell too soon and you lose value on the pitch, because a replacement is needed,and replacements don't always come through your system. Most of them are more Pendleton than DCL or Davies.

This is a good point Steve and in essence whereby the contradiction with the Moyes era comes. Moyes never really wanted to break up the team and rebuild (despite generally being pretty good at it).

I don't know how Brands plans to get around that conundrum. My feeling is that he will be quite calculated on it and be prepared to jettison the short term for the longer term goal. That's certainly the feeling for the sides on the continent who hold a very similar view to the one that Brands has outlined for Everton.

Look what happened to that Monaco side that won the French League and got to the semi finals. Sold players to the tune of about 800 million. Dortmund will break that team up too, Sancho will go but at an enormous profit which will be reinvested in 4-5-6 players that will take a bit of time. It's a risky strategy but the best chance you have of making it work is to have continuity with the coach and the DOF and the club as a whole.

We built our best side of the last 20 years on the back of selling Rooney (for about 8% of the total money spent in the league that year). It allowed us to fund Arteta, Cahill, Bent, Neville and to an extent Lescott, Howard, Jagielka and Baines. All those players were bought for what we received for Rooney (even though some were bought some years after following a significant price increase).

There are draw backs of course, it prevents continuity within the team and in truth it would be hard to have sustained success, but in all honesty whichever way we do things it would be hard to have sustainable success.

I think we will embrace what we are now though and it will mean there will need to be a shift in outlook from supporters to the purpose of transfer business.

 

[MikeH72]

It crossed my mind how well he has recovered, its a similar injury to Seamus and its taken him this long to get back to his normal standard. Its a strange one, as i think that Jimmy would fit the pressing game very very well, it makes me think his recovery is ongoing.

He played a match in November and has been in the Ireland squad. He has been fit for ages, broken legs don’t take 15 months to recover from, our manager just doesn’t want to use him.

 

[davek]

I don't know how Brands plans to get around that conundrum. My feeling is that he will be quite calculated on it and be prepared to jettison the short term for the longer term goal. That's certainly the feeling for the sides on the continent who hold a very similar view to the one that Brands has outlined for Everton.
Look what happened to that Monaco side that won the French League and got to the semi finals. Sold players to the tune of about 800 million. Dortmund will break that team up too, Sancho will go but at an enormous profit which will be reinvested in 4-5-6 players that will take a bit of time. It's a risky strategy but the best chance you have of making it work is to have continuity with the coach and the DOF and the club as a whole.

They are in a different position to us though. As top teams in their respective leagues they have the allure to attract very good youngsters and snap up quality players at reasonable prices because they are invariably in the CL.

We have nothing like that to offer, so creating and breaking up teams is not a sensible model.

We built our best side of the last 20 years on the back of selling Rooney (for about 8% of the total money spent in the league that year). It allowed us to fund Arteta, Cahill, Bent, Neville and to an extent Lescott, Howard, Jagielka and Baines. All those players were bought for what we received for Rooney (even though some were bought some years after following a significant price increase).

There are draw backs of course, it prevents continuity within the team and in truth it would be hard to have sustained success, but in all honesty whichever way we do things it would be hard to have sustainable success.

I think we will embrace what we are now though and it will mean there will need to be a shift in outlook from supporters to the purpose of transfer business.

Basically we sold a world class player (rather than build around him) and used the money to bake in mediocrity to the club with the purchase of a certain level of player who could perform functionally as a unit.

 

[Groucho]

Basically we sold a world class player (rather than build around him) and used the money to bake in mediocrity to the club with the purchase of a certain level of player who could perform functionally as a unit.

This is true and I largely agree however we did immediately get 4th spot.

 

[Toffeelover]

They are in a different position to us though. As top teams in their respective leagues they have the allure to attract very good youngsters and snap up quality players at reasonable prices because they are invariably in the CL.

We have nothing like that to offer, so creating and breaking up teams is not a sensible model.


Basically we sold a world class player (rather than build around him) and used the money to bake in mediocrity to the club with the purchase of a certain level of player who could perform functionally as a unit.

Would we have had the money to get in the quality of players needed to play around him?

 

[davek]

Would we have had the money to get in the quality of players needed to play around him?

I'd like to have found out what Rooney could have done here with a few additions. We could have tried that route if Kenwright hadn't needed to sell him to pay off loans he took out in order to control the club.

 

[Toffeelover]

I'd like to have found out what Rooney could have done here with a few additions. We could have tried that route if Kenwright hadn't needed to sell him to pay off loans he took out in order to control the club.

There is that Dave but if BK had not done that where would we have been if stayed under Johnson.

 

[Deco]

Genuinely looking forward to seeing Marcel whip up some magic this summer.

 

[EvertonFury19]

Genuinely looking forward to seeing Marcel whip up some magic this summer.

Can't wait to see people irrationally flipping out over his moves, especially when it involves players leaving the club

 

[Neiler]

He played a match in November and has been in the Ireland squad. He has been fit for ages, broken legs don’t take 15 months to recover from, our manager just doesn’t want to use him.

Not sure on that it’s taken Seamus almost two years to recover from the same injury to any sort of standard of form. I suppose we will soon find out, he’s either due a contract or he leaves.

 

[catcherintherye]

They are in a different position to us though. As top teams in their respective leagues they have the allure to attract very good youngsters and snap up quality players at reasonable prices because they are invariably in the CL.

We have nothing like that to offer, so creating and breaking up teams is not a sensible model.


Basically we sold a world class player (rather than build around him) and used the money to bake in mediocrity to the club with the purchase of a certain level of player who could perform functionally as a unit.

I can't argue with any of that mate.

That was probably the bit I omitted from the OP that I meant to put in. The big risk for us, is if it goes wrong we get relegated. If we have as big a drop as Monaco had this season, we are not just down but dead and buried. In terms of wage spend and general ranking your Fulhams/Huddersfields finish probably just below half way in Germany and probably slightly top half in France. That is the enormous risk we run with the strategy and there's no way of saying it other than it would be a risk. It's why I think we will not be a aggressive in the approach as those sorts of sides, but we will try to emulate it in a more cautious way.

As for the 2nd part I do hear this a lot. How can a side, who's commercial revenues are circa 20% that of 5 teams above them go forward on a strategy of keeping world class players for any length of time? I can't see that, or see how it would be done.

We undoubtedly wasted the Lukaku money, it was an enormous opportunity. I blame Koeman as much as Walsh for that. I'm not sure it meant it was the wrong strategy though.

That being said, we have to be honest enough to say, Martinez in his final season through to Koeman's first made a big mistake not utilising those 4 special players in a more productive way. Imagine if we would have kept those 4, maybe not added as much but ensured we kept them, where we would be?