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Jim Ratcliffe is an exemplar of British excellence; somebody who grew up dirt poor in a council estate in a working-class family but decided to work himself to the very top, leading a world class chemical engineering company and becoming the country's richest man.

This is why the UK will never prosper anymore. Talent and brilliance isn't respected by the population.
Oh FO
It's the racism people aren't respecting. And maybe the pulling up of the ladder once he made his millions. How much of the tax he's avoided paying could help finance a skills training program for other disadvantaged kids
 
Significant how? Why is it a bad thing having an increasing population? Some countries are concerned about declining populations as their own ages, others have higher population growth than what you are saying.

So your football (speak their language and they might become racist too) analogy doesn't track because a rising population, at what seems to be a reasonable 0.65% rate is not a bad thing.

Is it the colour of some of that 0.65% perhaps?
There is nothing inherently wrong with a rising population. In fact, if the UK were to have a fertility rate over 2.5 and had a rising population, that would be an immense success story. Even importing quality immigrants is not an issue in itself. We need the talented surgeons. We need the talented engineers. We need the talented entrepreneurs. What we don't need is freeloaders on top of the existing ones we have.

The issue here is the UK has welcomed hordes of illegal migrants that have all gone through safe countries such as France, Belgium etc and housed them in hotels, which are all being funded by the taxpayers.
Secondly, the UK has had an uncontrolled legal migration wave the last 5-10 years by welcoming people on cheap student and care visas but in reality have no inclination to work. Many of them have children which produces a strain on the education sector. Many of them have lots of health issues which puts a strain on healthcare and the waiting times. Many of them are being housed in social housing and if any of them are working, they'll be working in jobs that pay them via cash.

Even with all this said, I don't think it's a great thing to import hundreds of thousands of migrants from the third world and flood them in your major cities for social cohesion.
 
Yeah, and that £65k figure will just keep rising exponentially as the population explodes. I hope you like eating bugs.
You may have a point. We have a 52% increase in those aged over 65 since 1981 - 10 million more dependent people in real terms who wouldn't have been alive in 1981. Also a change in median age from 34 in 1981 to over 40 in 2022. The dependency ratio for working age:retired has increased 7% in that time. Thay doesn't sound a great deal but in practice means there are 7 more retired people per working age person today (doesn't account for those actually retired against those actually working). In terms of state pension the increase in cost has been 1% of GDV over that time and sits at around £140bn a year. That's eclipsed by the hugely disproportionate (compared to the working age population) increase in health costs, end of life care costs, etc. incurred by having an ageing population, together with the incumbent drag on the economy (simply, older people buy less but consume more state resources).

So instead of bugs, perhaps we could eat soylent green?
 
What in the ‘Please Sir May I shine your shoes?’ Oliver Twist universe is this?

God I hate people who desperately rush to protect parasitic billionaires so much, as if their greed isn’t the cause of most of humanity’s ills and they’re all brilliant geniuses who don’t exploit every employee and tax loophole they possibly can to take out as much as they can and put as little into society as humanly possible.
Ratcliffe has been one of top 5 highest taxpayers the UK has had. He paid around 110m in 2018 alone. Realistically it's his tax money that has been funding the common man's handouts so they can buy tickets to watch Everton play week in week out.

The fact Ratcliffe is not in agreement with how his tax money has been spent lately is most definitely the reason he moved away to Monaco.
 
Oh FO
It's the racism people aren't respecting. And maybe the pulling up of the ladder once he made his millions. How much of the tax he's avoided paying could help finance a skills training program for other disadvantaged kids
Newsnight reported his Monaco move saved him £4B. It's a lot of schools and hospitals isn't it.
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with a rising population. In fact, if the UK were to have a fertility rate over 2.5 and had a rising population, that would be an immense success story. Even importing quality immigrants is not an issue in itself. We need the talented surgeons. We need the talented engineers. We need the talented entrepreneurs. What we don't need is freeloaders on top of the existing ones we have.

The issue here is the UK has welcomed hordes of illegal migrants that have all gone through safe countries such as France, Belgium etc and housed them in hotels, which are all being funded by the taxpayers.
Secondly, the UK has had an uncontrolled legal migration wave the last 5-10 years by welcoming people on cheap student and care visas but in reality have no inclination to work. Many of them have children which produces a strain on the education sector. Many of them have lots of health issues which puts a strain on healthcare and the waiting times. Many of them are being housed in social housing and if any of them are working, they'll be working in jobs that pay them via cash.

Even with all this said, I don't think it's a great thing to import hundreds of thousands of migrants from the third world and flood them in your major cities for social cohesion.
Except the actual number when it comes to population growth doesn't imply 'hordes'
You say 'many of them' a few times there but you have no actual figures to quantify if that is or isn't sustainable.
The cost could be helped by introducing a higher tax bracket for the ultra wealthy like Denmark and others have, and limiting pricks like Ratcliffe's tax evasion.

The countries they passed through don't have English as their first language and that plays a major part in their need, and why brexit didn't do anything but make others poorer.
Your final point, third world, is a designation put on them after the West pillaged their resources and rather than raising them up justified it through the theory of modernity and non interference. And by cohesion what do you mean? There are as many different attitudes and beliefs among those already living in the UK.
Everything you say just screams racism and xenophobia tbh no matter how you coat it, just like you were about trumps racism pre US election
 
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Ratcliffe has been one of top 5 highest taxpayers the UK has had. He paid around 110m in 2018 alone. Realistically it's his tax money that has been funding the common man's handouts so they can buy tickets to watch Everton play week in week out.

The fact Ratcliffe is not in agreement with how his tax money has been spent lately is most definitely the reason he moved away to Monaco.
Wealthy people aren't supposed to decide how their taxes are spent in a functioning democracy ffs.
More money for himself is why he moved to Monaco. Stop trying to attach some noble principled stance to it.
 
Wealthy people aren't supposed to decide how their taxes are spent in a functioning democracy ffs.
More money for himself is why he moved to Monaco. Stop trying to attach some noble principled stance to it.
Worth noting that taxpayers don't 'pay' for anything. The government sets a budget on the basis of projected tax return and that money is created by the Bank of England. The tax take then destroys the created money over time. Any deficit is either destroyed by borrowing or left on the books. The government doesn't get the money and think "what shall we spend this on?"
 
Worth noting that taxpayers don't 'pay' for anything. The government sets a budget on the basis of projected tax return and that money is created by the Bank of England. The tax take then destroys the created money over time. Any deficit is either destroyed by borrowing or left on the books. The government doesn't get the money and think "what shall we spend this on?"
Well yes, but they budget based on it. I thought that went without saying really.
 
You may have a point. We have a 52% increase in those aged over 65 since 1981 - 10 million more dependent people in real terms who wouldn't have been alive in 1981. Also a change in median age from 34 in 1981 to over 40 in 2022. The dependency ratio for working age:retired has increased 7% in that time. Thay doesn't sound a great deal but in practice means there are 7 more retired people per working age person today (doesn't account for those actually retired against those actually working). In terms of state pension the increase in cost has been 1% of GDV over that time and sits at around £140bn a year. That's eclipsed by the hugely disproportionate (compared to the working age population) increase in health costs, end of life care costs, etc. incurred by having an ageing population, together with the incumbent drag on the economy (simply, older people buy less but consume more state resources).

So instead of bugs, perhaps we could eat soylent green?
Don't be silly Tuesday is Soylent green day not Thursday
 
Ratcliffe has been one of top 5 highest taxpayers the UK has had. He paid around 110m in 2018 alone. Realistically it's his tax money that has been funding the common man's handouts so they can buy tickets to watch Everton play week in week out.

The fact Ratcliffe is not in agreement with how his tax money has been spent lately is most definitely the reason he moved away to Monaco.
 
Ratcliffe has been one of top 5 highest taxpayers the UK has had. He paid around 110m in 2018 alone. Realistically it's his tax money that has been funding the common man's handouts so they can buy tickets to watch Everton play week in week out.

The fact Ratcliffe is not in agreement with how his tax money has been spent lately is most definitely the reason he moved away to Monaco.
Hahaha
 

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