So over 50% of the voting population in the US are all racist. That's very cute to hear. You don't believe there's an ounce of nuance in these immigration debates?
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I went to lurk on a Utd fan forum yesterday after hearing his comments and tbf their reactions seem to be as disgusted as the majority here.
Another example of rich pricks thinking they speak for everyone and blaming a minority group for other people's financial concerns.
They also pointed out the hypocrisy of Ratcliffe wanting state welfare for the stadium build
Who is opposing other people on the basis of their nationality?
Isn't the argument that the UK has gone through unprecedented levels of both legal and illegal immigration decimating the public services coming at a jeopardy of taxpayers who have been contributing their entire lives? Or this does not matter to you at all?
There are nuanced levels to racism also. If you accept a known racist's argument for your financial concerns then you are comfortable with that finger pointing. There is nothing nuanced about ICE's approach is there? At last count it is about 38% comfortable with it so yea they are racist on a scale of callous disregard to rabid hatred
Oh and welcome back btw. You must've got the bat signal that a racist needed defending
After the same corrupt backhanders Trump sycophants have been enjoying.
You mean the immigrants staffing those self same public services, yes?
The ones propping up the NHS, which would have collapsed without them?
And paying taxes to fund the pensions shortfall we'd been enduring without them swelling the working age, tax-paying ranks?
The non-apology is in.
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I'm sorry he is an odious human being! (Anyone can do that, Jim)
The national team still heading to feed the Trump..
A. 50+% of the population has never voted for Trump, turnout in the last election was around 60% of voting eligible people and Trump got ~31% - so no, I’m saying at minimum a large proportion of 31% of Americans are racists.
B. Yes I do think there’s nuance - some nuance of course being the UK and US role in destabilising countries particularly in the Middle East and Africa (and South America particularly in the US’s case) maybe people wouldn’t have to come here seeking a better life if Britain hadn’t contributed to absolutely ruining their home countries. Another nuance would be climate change, which the US in particular is going out of its way to exacerbate.
I don't believe there's a single bit of evidence that immigrants have "decimated public services," as you put it. On the contrary, there are a number of factors that strongly suggest immigrants have propped up public services:
- Most immigrants are of working age
- The biggest consumers of public spending are the young and the old (through education, healthcare, and pensions respectively)
- The typical newcomer has to wait 5 years before they can claim any public funds (it's called "no recourse to public funds"), so they, by definition, cannot "decimate" anything
- Newcomers also have to pay the NHS surcharge for the duration of their visa. So, not only are they typically of working age, so less likely to "need" the NHS, the taxes they pay are topped up by a dedicated payment for the NHS (that they often won't use).
- The demographic situation in the UK is a mess, with pensions taking up an ever greater slice of public spending. This pension is paid for out of working people's taxation, but the proportion of workers to retirees is significantly worse than it was when the pension was introduced (and people obviously live much longer in retirement than they did back then). So we need more workers to pay for it. The birth rate isn't high enough to do that (and even if it did increase, it would take a long time to make any impact). So, again, those immigrants you hate, are actually paying for pensioners' retirement.
Sadly, they don't tend to do this, as it's much better to do #1 and blame it all on foreigners who can't vote them out. It's perhaps saddest of all that people like yourself swallow their lies wholesale and let them off the hook.
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From BBC news (and many outlets)... Looks like he didn't stay up that particular lamp-post for very long...
Ratcliffe says sorry his language 'offended some people' after criticism of immigration comments
The Man Utd co-owner says it's important to talk about "well-managed immigration" after backlash over his claim that the UK has been "colonised by immigrants".
www.bbc.co.uk
Seeing as Ratcliffe based his 2020 pop figures on 2000 figures he is obviously completely wrong. False figures used as coating for a xenophobic statement.
Seeing as he is verifiably wrong, and you claim others can't think for themselves, what does that make you saying he's right?
According to goldbridge he apparently wanted thousands to go on the utd stand for an interview and they couldn't justify his fee.
Imagine demanding that for not getting a haircut.
I've had a few mops in my time and all I ever got was a slagging
1. Most immigrants are of working age, sure. But how many of them are actually working in meaningful jobs and contributing to the tax system? How many illegal migrants are being housed in hotels and how many of them are working? I don't think you realize the amount of them who just get paid by cash so actually none of them are truly contributing to this country's economy.
2. Young people and pensioners may very well be using up a lot of the expenses but they are perfectly entitled because those old people you speak of are the ones who have worked 40-50 years and paid into the system. The young population also the same as their parents have contributed to the system. Why should a newcomer with children have the same rights as a family who has contributed to the tax system their entire lives?
3. Newcomers are having children and many of those children are requiring healthcare, education, housing etc. The net migration of the UK has been 800k for the past few years. Do you think the UK has the infrastructure to support extra 500-800k surplus people every year?
5. Go check the employment records of the immigrant population and their net contribution to the economy and then come back to me.