Manager, Long Term.

[Abraders]

Thank god

Mad some of these shouts eh lol

Let's win the top of the bottom half of the table cup whilst we're at it.

 

[Abraders]

Plenty in the media disagree. They say he is very hands on in training and I think that's what we need. Niasse and Cleverly both definitely looked to have improved under him.

Ok then he should be a coach and not a manager because his tactical nous is Martinez MK2.

He has actually done nothing in the league to prove he's a good manager, either at Hull or Watford.

Also, lets say he came and did well - if a top club made some noises he'd be off in a blink of an eye, or have his team fall off a cliff, ala what happened at Watford.

 

[evertonarntwe]

We got our first away win in over a year or something under Sam.- we did and we got very lucky in that game, we had games under koeman were we probably played better away from home that and never won, it's just how football works

In regards to saying we deserved nothing from the Liverpool game, we played really well in the FA cup game and got nothing so.. we played BETTER in the cup game and once we got the equaliser I thought we looked good, but in reality again there keeper never made a single save

The losses to Arsenal, Tottenham were bad yeah but did you really expect anything else - they already ruined us this season once. yer I expected a bit of fight, we were pathetic in both games, teams around the bottom have taken less pastings than we have this season

Honestly we are so so far away from being a top 6 team. We should be able to give them a go like, but no manager we've had has managed that consistently.

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[Abraders]

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Certainly not this season. Koeman was literally just as negative as Sam, nothing has really changed in that regard. We played hoofball under Koeman and we play the same stuff under Sam, difference being Sam has gotten some results out of it. Whether we got lucky or not doesn't really matter.

We've struggled to get shots on target all season. People act like this was brought by Sam, when in truth it's our dangerously poor/unbalanced squad that's to blame for that - and negative tactics.

People were less bothered about Koemans pastings we took this season. As soon as Sam took his first pasting he gets absolutely rinsed - this is my main gripe.

 

[4737carlin]

Heres one, there talking about Brendan Rodgers on Talk Sport, would anyone rather have him then Sam? I dont think i would just because of his conections, anyone?

 

[MickA]

Almost 100% agree but I don't think we should be so ruthless based solely on results.

If we are progressing by playing a better style, history of correcting the obvious issues, improvements in the squad, ability to attract better players, cup runs/success then we shouldnt just get rid because we happened to lose a few games we would have expected to win.

Sometimes results don't go your way and its no one's fault.

Yeah I agree. Was more starting to charge the coach with getting tangible success

 

[Lanolin]

So it’s not the players fault, there’s not a culture of failure in the club, then whose fault is it? Koeman has been successful elsewhere, as was Martinez, even Allardyce has done better than some of the horrific play we saw at Spurs and Arsenal. Where exactly does the problem lie?

For me there’s a long ingrained culture of failure and doing the bare minimum in the squad. Players like Jags Baines Howard etc. transferred over from Moyes and were seen as part of the furniture, untouchable, youve then seen players recruited who are either comfortable to slot into that Barry Rooney Cleverley Williams Schneiderlin etc. see the club as a stepping stone Lukaku Deulofeu Stones, or who are just not good enough at all.

There also seems to be s strange disconnect in the squad that has meant players like Besic Sandro Klaassen Tosun Vlasic Lookman have struggled to settle at all.

How many players in the squad seem hungry to prove anything? Walcott (will be interesting to see how long his new club form lasts before the boys club subsume him), Siggurdson, Coleman, Pickford, Niasse. That’s about it.

There is a culture of failure and bare minimum is acceptable that has either been created by the managers players or board and is now feeding itself in a never ending cycle where no matter if we change the managers or change some players the results stay the same.

We need to route out the poisonous weed at the centre of it because merely swapping Allardyce for Howe as I said at the beginning will have no effect. He will be chewed up and spat out just as quick as others have been.

No you misunderstand me. I'm not saying the players aren't to blame, or the manager's not to blame or anything like that.

What i'm saying is we can't just put everything down to mentality, or poor attitudes or whatever, which is what I see happening a lot. I don't believe the players are downing tools, or not trying, or trying to get managers sacked. I think we have a horribly unbalanced squad which is lacking in many areas, and so we don't win many games.

There are good players in the squad, and good attitudes, but I don't think any XI that we put on the pitch ever looks quite right and so I'm not surprised that we've been getting the results we have. I said at the start of the season I thought we'd finish 7th or 8th, when Allardyce took over I said maybe 9th would be more realistic because our away form was still poorer than i'd expected. It looks likely that we'll finish in one of those positions, so why would I believe there to be a culture or mentality issue within the squad, when they're effectively achieving pretty much what I think they're capable of? For me, the issue is not that the players aren't playing for the manager, it's that we have bought poorly for the last 3/4 years, and have had a couple of managers who don't have the coaching or tactical skills to turn a team of slightly better than average players into more than the sum of their parts.

 

[mkrudden]

I just want someone who does more than the Allardyces / Redknapps who send their teams out to "express themselves" with freedom upon a basis of defensive solidarity.

I want a manager that has constructed attacks and flexible tactics. A manager that has us on the ball and taking the game to the opposition .

What about that lad at City?

 

[Lanolin]

Certainly not this season. Koeman was literally just as negative as Sam, nothing has really changed in that regard. We played hoofball under Koeman and we play the same stuff under Sam, difference being Sam has gotten some results out of it. Whether we got lucky or not doesn't really matter.

We've struggled to get shots on target all season. People act like this was brought by Sam, when in truth it's our dangerously poor/unbalanced squad that's to blame for that - and negative tactics.

People were less bothered about Koemans pastings we took this season. As soon as Sam took his first pasting he gets absolutely rinsed - this is my main gripe.

That really isn't true though. Koeman's sacking was almost universally demanded and expected, he was getting dogs abuse on here by the time he left. There is though, the obvious caveat that people naturally expect more of a manager who replaces someone who has been sacked, otherwise why bother sacking the first bloke? I've said before that I don't think Allardyce has done a bad job, I just don't think he's done a particularly good one either. Truth is, I reckon the season probably would have followed a similar pattern had Koeman stayed.

To me Allardyce needs to go at the end of the season, not because he's been awful, but because to keep him would just be a year wasted. The current model of Walsh and back to basics old school managers like Koeman and Allardyce has failed, and will continue to do so. We need a new structure, and a new manager with a more positive and progressive attitude. The key question is who.

 

[blueblue]

Before we talk about a long term manager we have to talk about the long term structure within the club.
Are we continuing with the director of football role and, if so, will that be Steve Walsh.

We , at present, have a manager and director of football but I don't know how they work together or what their responsibilities are... more correctly I probably should say I don't know what the role of Steve Walsh is... but that may not be his fault.

My assumption was the director of football took an overview of the club which, for instance, would allow for an easier transition from one manager to another as well as having a role in recruitment of playing and coaching staff.
So far, that doesn't seem to have worked at all.

Before we get a new manager let's decide how this whole managerial thingy is going to work in the first place.

 

[Abraders]

That really isn't true though. Koeman's sacking was almost universally demanded and expected, he was getting dogs abuse on here by the time he left. There is though, the obvious caveat that people naturally expect more of a manager who replaces someone who has been sacked, otherwise why bother sacking the first bloke? I've said before that I don't think Allardyce has done a bad job, I just don't think he's done a particularly good one either. Truth is, I reckon the season probably would have followed a similar pattern had Koeman stayed.

To me Allardyce needs to go at the end of the season, not because he's been awful, but because to keep him would just be a year wasted. The current model of Walsh and back to basics old school managers like Koeman and Allardyce has failed, and will continue to do so. We need a new structure, and a new manager with a more positive and progressive attitude. The key question is who.

I didn't really feel the hatred as much as Sam has gotten but maybe that's just me.

I don't think Koeman would've got us out of it to be honest! He seemed detached from the squad, but then again he is a manager who was known to go through bad patches or completely fall out with his teams.

Agree with all the rest, but part of me doesn't see Sam leaving if we finish top 10.

 

[Rob R]

Howe wouldn’t have the respect of the players. This squad is a horrific bunch. Most wouldn’t play for Martinez, they then stopped playing for Koeman, laughed in the face of Unsworth and pretty much wont play for Allardyce as soon as relegation fears ease (but then will when they’re back). If a manager gives them leeway they run all over it and sell him out, if he keeps them on a tight leash they resent it and down tools. Howe would be off on the back foot already. Delusional ego maniacs like Schneiderlin are not going to listen to what the ex Bournemouth manager says.

Good point.

 

[Big_nev]

Heres one, there talking about Brendan Rodgers on Talk Sport, would anyone rather have him then Sam? I dont think i would just because of his conections, anyone?

He encourages good football which would be a complete 180% turn from where we are at right now but he reeks of a bit of a bullshit artist. Bit like Martinez in the way he handles a defeat, talks about being brave on the ball rather than the fact that the opposition bagged a few. You know that the moment we start trying to play out from the back the crowd will just want us to hoof it up the pitch as well

 

[Saint Domingo]

He encourages good football which would be a complete 180% turn from where we are at right now but he reeks of a bit of a bullshit artist. Bit like Martinez in the way he handles a defeat, talks about being brave on the ball rather than the fact that the opposition bagged a few. You know that the moment we start trying to play out from the back the crowd will just want us to hoof it up the pitch as well

He tried to make Liverpool into a passing possession team, Gerrard basically forced him to sack it off and just get it forward as quickly as possible to Suarez and Sturridge, they then had that great season but immediately afterwards he tried to move back to the slow possession rubbish Martinez was doing with us and it eventually got both fired.

I can’t be watching that turgid rubbish again.

 

[Rob R]

Eddie Howe - awful shout.

May as well call ourselves mid table FC with ambitions like Howe.

I respect your opinion but who would you suggest? Football has changed so much now and it is all about money. Everton are and always will be a bigger club than Chelsea or Manchester City but they don’t have their finances, hence the fact they are where they are and we are where we are. I would like to see Mourinho or Guardiola achieve what Howe did at Bournemouth with the finances he had. Perhaps they could have done better but we will never know because neither of them would take a job unless their owners give them unlimited funds as well as their astronomical wages. Having said that you could well be right, maybe Howe would be out of his depth at Everton.