Man Utd v Everton. 5th October at 12.00.

[WarringtonBlue]

It was a 90-minute United propaganda film. Every opportunity to take matters beyond the pitch they would spin it to United. We got a mention at one point, '5-0 Benfica, Everton's worst ever European result' which was only mentioned in passing when discussing Di Maria's career. Then it was back to how great X new player, Y promising youngster, Z player-yet-to-return-to-fitness will be/are. Louis van Gaal's tactical genius. Michael Owen's opinion on the prestige of Utd's #7. Oh look, there's Bobby Charlton in the crowd, he wore #7... and so on and so forth. Ad neausaum.

Glad it wasn't just me

This is a frustrating match but we did play well in the 2nd half. I expected a loss but bloody De Gea...

Just hope we have a few less injuries after the break and Barkley comes back

 

[Khalekan]

Besic MOTM by a an utter country mile.

One if today's positives, I thought.

He was great in the second half.

 

[marty mcfly]

Those basic tasks shouldn't be chasing balls into the corners, trying to put crosses and beating people off the dribble outside of the box. He's never done it before, and its tiring him out (and its not because he's fat and lazy). You put him at CF or you sit him and give him a rest. Unless you are Essien in his prime players aren't swiss army knives. Lukaku on the wing is Naismith at RW.

Yea I think that's our biggest problem. What worked once at Arsenal is being tried over and over because secretly I think Martinez trusts Naismith more as our main striker and he's trying to fit Lukaku in.

Unfortunately Bobby. You spent 28m and your neck is on the line with this signing. You have to play him up tops and it either works or you'll be gone.

 

[mrb85]

Hard luck Everton...and I am proud of that second half performance.
2 am here in NZ, off to bed.
Goodnight all x

I presume you're being sarcastic. That performance was relegation standard. I posted after the midweek game that I've never seen an Everton side make so many unforced errors when in possession. Well they surpassed even that today.

 

[streeky]

He should have scored a hat trick today easily, The service he had was top draw

As a striker you get out of a game what you put in. If you stand like a statue so a young kid with no experience can have a cigar on while he is marking you do you think you are going to score. Tell me 1 thing as a striker that he has done well in the last 7 games. Has he led the line (no) has he linked play (hell no). Has he chased battled Showed fight aggression f8ck no)

 

[pyroparty]

Terrible performance!!!! And no etoo? Moyestinez

 

[scratchnsurf]

Tell you what, RAWK must have a massive laugh at this forum.

What goes around comes around.

 

[Del]

As a striker you get out of a game what you put in. If you stand like a statue so a young kid with no experience can have a cigar on while he is marking you do you think you are going to score. Tell me 1 thing as a striker that he has done well in the last 7 games. Has he led the line (no) has he linked play (hell no). Has he chased battled Showed fight aggression f8ck no)

He can hardly lead the line at left wing mate

 

[streeky]

Thought Besic grew into the game well, massive plus point for us.

 

[kenada_blue]

Tell you what, RAWK must have a massive laugh at this forum.

I'm beginning to believe most of them have signed up on here. WUMs everywhere

 

[davidloach]

People wanting to bin Bobby need to examine their knees

 

[streeky]

He can hardly lead the line at left wing mate

why was he put out there

 

[marty mcfly]

Agreed - and whats worrying is that was meant to be Barry, who has gone backwards this season

We should never have given a 33 year old a 3 year contract.
Same with Hibbert and Howard.

 

[Abraders]

You make some good points. Osman and Pienaar are crucial to the success of this style of play; but I would counter that Osman behind Naismith is the way forward. I wasn't hailing him last year as some saviour, I've never thought that, and if other people have done, that's their misapprehension. Today, and all season in fact, has not been about ragging on the subpar performance of the record transfer buy; he has been abysmal. Today he was downright hopeless... it is not the responsibility of anyone else when it comes to a player's control and ability to play a simple short pass. Lukaku looked inept at even the most basic tasks. It was almost ridiculous... the albatross around the neck in the form of that ridiculous fee weighs heavy on us all, Martinez & Lukaku quite clearly. We're forced to play him on that basis.

Osman behind Naismith, completely agree with also... but I'm thinking more about the fact we aren't going to break up the midfield pairing of now either basic/mccarthy and barry. Definitely need them to hold now that we might be missing stonesy for a while. This could make it sorta difficult to play osman behind naismith playing behind Lukaku!

But on to your other point, yeah lukaku is messing up the basics, which isn't aiding his cause whatsoever. Perhaps Eto'o would've been better today, or even just Naismith upfront. Lukaku will probably be dropped for the next game, and show us what he's all about from the bench towards the end of a game.

 

[Del]

why was he put out there

because he played well there once about 6 months ago and Martinez insists on sticking a massive 28m striker in that position