Lukaku V Kane and Barkley V Alli

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Not really relevant but I wish we had a defender like that Vertonghen, absolutely class him.

On topic, Lukaku will be the better of the two, but there's not much in it.
 
I don't know exactly why, but Kane doesn't get the plaudits he should. It's like people are convinced he's a flash in the pan, even though he's been banging them in for 3 seasons.

Anyway, it's Rom for me
 
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These two were the better players yesterday...and then the above happened!

So Rom and Ross for me...far less cringeworthy
 
Here are their league records without penalties in the previous 3 seasons with teams league position included:

16/17:

Lukaku (7th): 18
Kane (2nd): 15

15/16:

Kane (3rd): 20
Lukaku (11th): 17

14/15:

Kane (5th): 19
Lukaku (11th): 8

You can see that in the past 2 seasons they have scored similar, but Lukaku has still had a great scoring record as part of a poor Everton side, whereas Kane has been banging them in playing in a side full of confidence and one last season that was involved in a title race for a large part of the latter stage in the season. Therefore, you have to take that in to account and praise Lukaku for that. However, Kane deserves all the praise he has been getting because his scoring record is top class. Goals to games you have to say that it is comfortably better than Lukaku's.

The 14/15 season was a poor season for Lukaku in the league, but more importantly the team. Stick Kane in our team in the 2 seasons prior to this one, and I imagine he would have a similar record to Lukaku in those seasons, or at least 14/15.

For me, penalties boosting goal tallies can have a big impact. Not saying they don't count, but they don't show the full picture when they boost the tally considerably which they have done for Kane this season with over 20% of his goals coming unopposed from 12 yards out.

Here is another example of 2 players in a struggling side:

Defoe: 14 goals. 5 penalties which means 36% of his goals have come from the spot.
Llorente: 11 goals. 0 penalties.

Both great scoring records for the sides they are in, but Llorente's is more impressive for me. Defoe scored 2 penalties in the same game.
 
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Lukaku's a much better goalscorer; Kane is a better footballer.

All bias aside as Evertonians, Kane is the bigger, more consistent asset in a modern football team. Not much in it though.

As for Barkley and Alli, that one is much easier - Barkley is by far the superior footballer with the higher potential ceiling.
 
mawders said:
I don't know exactly why, but Kane doesn't get the plaudits he should. It's like people are convinced he's a flash in the pan, even though he's been banging them in for 3 seasons.

Anyway, it's Rom for me
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Because he isn't fast and doesn't do anything special mate, just does everything very well, and works his ass off to make the best of his talent. Very lampardesque in that regard.
 
Tubey said:
Lukaku's a much better goalscorer; Kane is a better footballer.

All bias aside as Evertonians, Kane is the bigger, more consistent asset in a modern football team. Not much in it though.

As for Barkley and Alli, that one is much easier - Barkley is by far the superior footballer with the higher potential ceiling.
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Not even sure about that. Kane is a goal machine, and scores all types of goals too.

As for that second one, I just disagree entirely. There is nothing we've ever seen to suggest Barkley is miles better than Alli, look at Alli's goal and assist return AND he's 3 years younger. He's a brilliant footballer, people just have a poor Euros stuck in their heads.
 
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Not even sure about that. Kane is a goal machine, and scores all types of goals too.

As for that second one, I just disagree entirely. There is nothing we've ever seen to suggest Barkley is miles better than Alli, look at Alli's goal and assist return AND he's 3 years younger. He's a brilliant footballer, people just have a poor Euros stuck in their heads.
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Alli benefits from the players around him, allowing him to play as a second striker at times. Technically, Barkley is on another level, but it's a case of comparing apples and oranges.

Lukaku is clearly a more gifted goalscorer than Kane.
 
Tubey said:
Lukaku's a much better goalscorer; Kane is a better footballer.

All bias aside as Evertonians, Kane is the bigger, more consistent asset in a modern football team. Not much in it though.

As for Barkley and Alli, that one is much easier - Barkley is by far the superior footballer with the higher potential ceiling.
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Spot on. End thread.
 
Tubey said:
Alli benefits from the players around him, allowing him to play as a second striker at times. Technically, Barkley is on another level, but it's a case of comparing apples and oranges.

Lukaku is clearly a more gifted goalscorer than Kane.
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Kane has scored about 30 goals in each of the last 3 seasons on the bounce
 
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