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I cant see where the legal argument or framework is for BLM (or on their website)

I cant see why COVID is being ignored and why

I cant see any reasoning why a singing video is allowed* but a cop being bashed by a skateboard isnt.

I cant see why a group charging over a barrier and fighting police isnt allowed but an aerial video is*.

I cant see why the globe is focused on BLM during other major issues...which are actually destroying an entire country.




*oh they werent allowed either as they were "one sided and right wing"


There's a thread on Covid running into thousands of pages on this very forum, maybe you could cross reference the posters here and there and see that the claim it is being ignored rings utterly hollow. Who is ignoring it?

I haven't watched any of the videos you reference so I can't give you an answer there.

Why do they have to have a legal argument, isn't an aspiration for police to stop murdering people enough?
 
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There are protests taking place in US and UK about a single injustice which has triggered memories of past injustices.

What is it they want done about it in legal terms?

I imagine different people protesting want to address the problems of systematic racism in different ways. They are people not an amorphous blob.
 
Is the current protests justified in the current climate (Social distancing) with what’s at risk? and is it being done in the correct way in which it will have an effect??

I may be wrong here but I think this is the point Zat is trying to get across.

Yep exactly...thats my MAIN point.

Other 2 points are:

1: Are the protestors asking for sympathy and hoping for change + what EXACTLY is it they want?

2: Are the protestors demanding something written in law? What is it?

I literally have no idea....ive just seen them asking for change without any actual list of items aside from "defunding the police"

Defunding the police i totally disagree with btw
 
There's a thread on Covid running into thousands of pages on this very forum, maybe you could cross reference the posters here and there and see that the claim it is being ignored rings utterly hollow. Who is ignoring it?

I haven't watched any of the videos you reference so I can't give you an answer there.

Why do they have to have a legal argument, isn't an aspiration for police to stop murdering people enough?

WHO IS IGNORING COVID?

The protestors who will go home having infected each other as well as the police and families.

Hence why its being ignored.


No protests should be happening in this country at this moment. We are trying to get out of this covid mess and yes we have people all.over the country spreading this.

Well it's ok the front line workers can deal with it.

They shouldnt be happening anywhere.

Its absolute insanity when theres a virus killing people to congregate in groups.
 
To be really honest about it all...

1: Theres a virus which will affect not only peaceful protestors but the police and others who they pass it onto...

I find it totally STUPID and IGNORANT and UNSAFE that these people are threatening others lives.

The cause is totally irrelevant with the virus...it could be any cause+ if we read the Everton Forum and see who supports full stadiums its minimal.

So i find it bizarre how people support protestors who are not considering others safety with the virus.

Its almost been forgotten !?!?!?!?!?

The whole worlds attention is now focused on BLM...who now is talking about COVID?

These distractions will cause enormous loss of life.


2: As for the actual protests and their meaning, perhaps im the ignorant one. I watch the videos, read the messages and i dont see any specific LAWS which they want implemented...

...ive only looked at a link to the BLM site once and saw they want the police DEFUNDED...thats pure stupidity in my opinion.

How does that make any sense at all?

Id like to see what LAWS they want changed which prevent them succeeding or impact their safety.

Just saying BLM and singing and protesting peacefully doesnt actually tell me what they want.

Is it just "be nicer to us" or is there a legal framework they want changed?

I dont know. Do you?


3: A lot of what is coming out with this WHITE PRIVILEGE (however you choose to define it) is totally bizarre. Its a case of comparing race rather than comparing social economic growth in under privileged neighbourhoods and towns...whether black or white.

Wheres their 'manifesto' to show the government what they want here?

Why is it focused solely on black people...how about native american indians or others?

I dont know...


4: If its a message about not being racially abused by other races (or just white / police which is all im seeing) then how do they want to affect that change?

Racists wont change unless educated and willing.

Why are the looted stores those who dont have signs with BLM on them?

Why are people saying they will pay bail for BLACK looters/rioters and not other races supporting them?

Why are there funds to help BLACK owned stores and nothing else?


5: To compare to Hong Kong (as you mention Asia)...

A: Black people arent being called cockroaches in the media on a mass level by police.

B: Black people arent seeing their daughters disappear and told they are dead the next day from suicide with no investigation because the police raped them + theyve been cremated without permission.

C: Black people arent seeing their own leaders sign deals to bring in secret police to kidnap and take them away.

D: Black people are allowed to vote for their leaders or appoint them in a democracy with freedom of speech. Not threatened with prison for negativity against their country.

And of course so much more. Its frustrating that HKers plight as well as Chinese incursions into India and the Pacific are being ignored now that that BLM seems to be the 'fashionable' cause...

Compare BLM with how the muslims are in China.

Where are the global protests?


6: Why is literally EVERYONE either focused on the protests, rioters, looters or the political parties or police?

How are people globally so focused on this cause?

What (in this moment in time) is more of an immediate problem...is it race issues and BLM or is it a virus murdering millions of people...or a nation invading countries and torturing minority groups on a mass scale


As for London...and UK i thought there were hiring and interview laws which meant that certain numbers of minorities had to be hired for equality?

Why are people attacking police...
Talking about specific laws to be implemented, then failing to address why there is no lawful police power to disperse a crowd protesting lawfully even during this Pandemic.
 
WHO IS IGNORING COVID?

The protestors who will go home having infected each other as well as the police and families.

Hence why its being ignored.




They shouldnt be happening anywhere.

Its absolute insanity when theres a virus killing people to congregate in groups.


This is the complicating factor here. And I agree it's an issue. However, each of those attending has to make their own calculation of risk.

However, had this happened in my community, I'd have been mad as hell and I can't honestly say I would have stayed home and stayed silent.
 
@Disgruntledgoat


How many responses to these questions did i get....

Apart from the smarmy rude ones?


Clue: zero.
Right, since you never really reply to substantive posts from others, you don't really deserve this, but:

To be really honest about it all...

1: Theres a virus which will affect not only peaceful protestors but the police and others who they pass it onto...

I find it totally STUPID and IGNORANT and UNSAFE that these people are threatening others lives.

The cause is totally irrelevant with the virus...it could be any cause+ if we read the Everton Forum and see who supports full stadiums its minimal.

So i find it bizarre how people support protestors who are not considering others safety with the virus.

Its almost been forgotten !?!?!?!?!?

The whole worlds attention is now focused on BLM...who now is talking about COVID?

These distractions will cause enormous loss of life.
Perhaps you should consider exactly how much people care about this issue, and how much a tipping point has been reached, that they are willing to go into crowded public spaces to seize this moment and protest against this issue, even in spite of the risk to their lives. It's worth noting that face masks have been prevalent at most of the gatherings, which latest data suggests will reduce transmission by ~80%.

I (and many others) find it totally STUPID and IGNORANT and UNSAFE that a police officer could kneel on a person's neck for 9 minutes (including 2.5mins AFTER he was checked and found not to have a pulse, according to some reports) and for that NOT to provoke widespread outrage and protest.

To compare protests against the unlawful killing of people of colour by those charged to protect them to whether people should be allowed into stadia to watch a football match, is inane, to be honest. You can consider that a "personal attack" if you want. Most would consider it fact.

2: As for the actual protests and their meaning, perhaps im the ignorant one. I watch the videos, read the messages and i dont see any specific LAWS which they want implemented...

...ive only looked at a link to the BLM site once and saw they want the police DEFUNDED...thats pure stupidity in my opinion.

How does that make any sense at all?

Id like to see what LAWS they want changed which prevent them succeeding or impact their safety.

Just saying BLM and singing and protesting peacefully doesnt actually tell me what they want.

Is it just "be nicer to us" or is there a legal framework they want changed?

I dont know. Do you?
There are a number of aims of the movement. Defunding of the police in the US is a major tentpole. Defunding doesn't mean "cut all funding and scrap the police". It means a reduction in funding, which would in turn reduce the militarisation of the police. In the US the police spend huge sums of money every year on buying decommissioned military hardware. If you equip police like they're soldiers on a battlefield, it's hardly a surprise when they act like it.

They also want 8 specific changes to police procedure and their use of force. You can find what these are fairly easily with a little research.

These things don't exactly make for memorable slogans to chant during a protest. "Black Lives Matter" came about because in many countries, but especially the US, they're not treated like they do by the authorities.

3: A lot of what is coming out with this WHITE PRIVILEGE (however you choose to define it) is totally bizarre. Its a case of comparing race rather than comparing social economic growth in under privileged neighbourhoods and towns...whether black or white.

Wheres their 'manifesto' to show the government what they want here?

Why is it focused solely on black people...how about native american indians or others?

I dont know...
Because (again, specifically in the US, as that's where the movement started, but it's mirrored here to an extent) black people have worse health and socio-economic outcomes than those of a similar background of other ethnicities.

"I don't have white privilege, I grew up poor too" isn't an argument when pretty much every bit of available data says that whatever your circumstance, changing your skin colour to black would make that circumstance worse.

4: If its a message about not being racially abused by other races (or just white / police which is all im seeing) then how do they want to affect that change?

Racists wont change unless educated and willing.

Why are the looted stores those who dont have signs with BLM on them?

Why are people saying they will pay bail for BLACK looters/rioters and not other races supporting them?

Why are there funds to help BLACK owned stores and nothing else?
Most of the organisations who are paying bail are paying bail for those arrested while protesting, not looting. But to turn attention to the looting for a moment, perhaps you'd like to turn your attention to this video that I've posted in reply to you elsewhere at least once, possibly twice, but never got a response.



Society doesn't uphold its end of the social contract for a huge segment of the population, based on little more than their skin colour. It's a bit rich to expect them to then uphold theirs.

5: To compare to Hong Kong (as you mention Asia)...

A: Black people arent being called cockroaches in the media on a mass level by police.

B: Black people arent seeing their daughters disappear and told they are dead the next day from suicide with no investigation because the police raped them + theyve been cremated without permission.

C: Black people arent seeing their own leaders sign deals to bring in secret police to kidnap and take them away.

D: Black people are allowed to vote for their leaders or appoint them in a democracy with freedom of speech. Not threatened with prison for negativity against their country.

And of course so much more. Its frustrating that HKers plight as well as Chinese incursions into India and the Pacific are being ignored now that that BLM seems to be the 'fashionable' cause...

Compare BLM with how the muslims are in China.

Where are the global protests?
This is a function of the media coming out of those areas and how much information people receive. Is it right that there isn't more protest? No, but that doesn't lessen any other cause.

Oh, but as for point D: Voter suppression amongst communities of colour in the US is at a horrendous level.

6: Why is literally EVERYONE either focused on the protests, rioters, looters or the political parties or police?

How are people globally so focused on this cause?

What (in this moment in time) is more of an immediate problem...is it race issues and BLM or is it a virus murdering millions of people...or a nation invading countries and torturing minority groups on a mass scale
Viruses don't "murder" people. Murder is a conscious act. Like kneeling on someone's neck while they die beneath you. Or shooting unarmed women sleeping on a couch. Or shooting a guy out jogging.

As for London...and UK i thought there were hiring and interview laws which meant that certain numbers of minorities had to be hired for equality?

Why are people attacking police...
Because, shock horror, in any large group of people you'll get people who don't react in the ideal way. The vast majority of protests in this country have been peaceful (and for that matter socially distanced)
 
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Right, since you never really reply to substantive posts from others, you don't really deserve this, but:


Perhaps you should consider exactly how much people care about this issue, and how much a tipping point has been reached, that they are willing to go into crowded public spaces to seize this moment and protest against this issue, even in spite of the risk to their lives. It's worth noting that face masks have been prevalent at most of the gatherings, which latest data suggests will reduce transmission by ~80%.

I (and many others) find it totally STUPID and IGNORANT and UNSAFE that a police officer could kneel on a person's neck for 9 minutes (including 2.5mins AFTER he was checked and found not to have a pulse, according to some reports) and for that NOT to provoke widespread outrage and protest.

To compare protests against the unlawful killing of people of colour by those charged to protect them to whether people should be allowed into stadia to watch a football match, is inane, to be honest. You can consider that a "personal attack" if you want. Most would consider it fact.


There are a number of aims of the movement. Defunding of the police in the US is a major tentpole. Defunding doesn't mean "cut all funding and scrap the police". It means a reduction in funding, which would in turn reduce the militarisation of the police. In the US the police spend huge sums of money every year on buying decommissioned military hardware. If you equip police like they're soldiers on a battlefield, it's hardly a surprise when they act like it.

They also want 8 specific changes to police procedure and their use of force. You can find what these are fairly easily with a little research.

These things don't exactly make for memorable slogans to chant during a protest. "Black Lives Matter" came about because in many countries, but especially the US, they're not treated like they do by the authorities.


Because (again, specifically in the US, as that's where the movement started, but it's mirrored here to an extent) black people have worse health and socio-economic outcomes than those of a similar background of other ethnicities.

"I don't have white privilege, I grew up poor too" isn't an argument when pretty much every bit of available data says that whatever your circumstance, changing your skin colour to black would make that circumstance worse.


Most of the organisations who are paying bail are paying bail for those arrested while protesting, not looting. But to turn attention to the looting for a moment, perhaps you'd like to turn your attention to this video that I've posted in reply to you elsewhere at least once, possibly twice, but never got a response.



Society doesn't uphold its end of the social contract for a huge segment of the population, based on little more than their skin colour. It's a bit rich to expect them to then uphold theirs.


This is a function of the media coming out of those areas and how much information people receive. Is it right that there isn't more protest? No, but that doesn't lessen any other cause.

Oh, but as for point D: Voter suppression amongst communities of colour in the US is at a horrendous level.


Viruses don't "murder" people. Murder is a conscious act. Like kneeling on someone's neck while they die beneath you. Or shooting unarmed women sleeping on a couch. Or shooting a guy out jogging.


Because, shock horror, in any large group of people you'll get people who don't react in the ideal way. The vast majority of protests in this country have been peaceful (and for that matter socially distanced)



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Zat i miss the days when you used to post above the post you were replying to
WHO IS IGNORING COVID?

The protestors who will go home having infected each other as well as the police and families.

Hence why its being ignored.




They shouldnt be happening anywhere.

Its absolute insanity when theres a virus killing people to congregate in groups.
 
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