Current Affairs London Protests

[BirkenheadBlue]

Whats the point of responding to accusations after i am still waiting for someone to respond to my questions...

Deep and abiding irony is that you don't reply to others' substantive posts.

Oh, and I replied to one of your questions.

 

[Zatara]

@Disgruntledgoat

To be really honest about it all...

1: Theres a virus which will affect not only peaceful protestors but the police and others who they pass it onto...

I find it totally STUPID and IGNORANT and UNSAFE that these people are threatening others lives.

The cause is totally irrelevant with the virus...it could be any cause+ if we read the Everton Forum and see who supports full stadiums its minimal.

So i find it bizarre how people support protestors who are not considering others safety with the virus.

Its almost been forgotten !?!?!?!?!?

The whole worlds attention is now focused on BLM...who now is talking about COVID?

These distractions will cause enormous loss of life.


2: As for the actual protests and their meaning, perhaps im the ignorant one. I watch the videos, read the messages and i dont see any specific LAWS which they want implemented...

...ive only looked at a link to the BLM site once and saw they want the police DEFUNDED...thats pure stupidity in my opinion.

How does that make any sense at all?

Id like to see what LAWS they want changed which prevent them succeeding or impact their safety.

Just saying BLM and singing and protesting peacefully doesnt actually tell me what they want.

Is it just "be nicer to us" or is there a legal framework they want changed?

I dont know. Do you?


3: A lot of what is coming out with this WHITE PRIVILEGE (however you choose to define it) is totally bizarre. Its a case of comparing race rather than comparing social economic growth in under privileged neighbourhoods and towns...whether black or white.

Wheres their 'manifesto' to show the government what they want here?

Why is it focused solely on black people...how about native american indians or others?

I dont know...


4: If its a message about not being racially abused by other races (or just white / police which is all im seeing) then how do they want to affect that change?

Racists wont change unless educated and willing.

Why are the looted stores those who dont have signs with BLM on them?

Why are people saying they will pay bail for BLACK looters/rioters and not other races supporting them?

Why are there funds to help BLACK owned stores and nothing else?


5: To compare to Hong Kong (as you mention Asia)...

A: Black people arent being called cockroaches in the media on a mass level by police.

B: Black people arent seeing their daughters disappear and told they are dead the next day from suicide with no investigation because the police raped them + theyve been cremated without permission.

C: Black people arent seeing their own leaders sign deals to bring in secret police to kidnap and take them away.

D: Black people are allowed to vote for their leaders or appoint them in a democracy with freedom of speech. Not threatened with prison for negativity against their country.

And of course so much more. Its frustrating that HKers plight as well as Chinese incursions into India and the Pacific are being ignored now that that BLM seems to be the 'fashionable' cause...

Compare BLM with how the muslims are in China.

Where are the global protests?


6: Why is literally EVERYONE either focused on the protests, rioters, looters or the political parties or police?

How are people globally so focused on this cause?

What (in this moment in time) is more of an immediate problem...is it race issues and BLM or is it a virus murdering millions of people...or a nation invading countries and torturing minority groups on a mass scale


As for London...and UK i thought there were hiring and interview laws which meant that certain numbers of minorities had to be hired for equality?

Why are people attacking police...

How many responses to these questions did i get....

Apart from the smarmy rude ones?


Clue: zero.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

"We support other peoples views"

But personally attack and insult posters on internet forums posting videos of things which we dont believe in.

Well done lads



I dont feel threatened in the slightest...the protests dont affect me personally whatsoever.

Are we now only allowed to post if were physically affected by something and follow the crowds views and opinions?

What I am doing is seeing huge numbers of posters slating the police and others and shooting down others views.

Its amazing what a reaction 3 vids of black people + asian had here...without context...along with an aerial video + 2 singing videos.

Personal attacks + accusations...from people considering themselves to be

Open minded minority supporting people

Who dont want any minority views shared (on factual videos) if they disagree with them.


Quite bizarre really.

Hang on. You’ve quoted me there, and my post was merely factual. You have amplified some twitter accounts that are well known race hate mongers. The end.

You claim to have done so unwittingly, which begs the question as to why you were so quick to quote them without bothering to check the veracity of the content or the credentials of the author, but irrespective, you can’t get huffy for people pointing out that some of the content you have chosen to share, comes from pretty ugly sources.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Whats the point of responding to accusations after i am still waiting for someone to respond to my questions...


...but not one person in this thread has...instead wrote accusations + insults in rude tone and demanded i answer them.

Its pathetically one sided.

I and others have responded to your questions. You've decided you don't like those answers and shifted the goalposts.

If it's one sided, that may be because nobody agrees with you. Now, I'm quite happy for you to hold whatever views you like and to express them. But you don't get to play the free speech card then complain that other people use theirs to question or point out where they disagree with you.

 

[SteveSC]

Deep and abiding irony is that you don't reply to others' substantive posts.

Oh, and I replied to one of your questions.

He put me on ignore when i pointed out the video he uploaded was from a racist who was also a conspiracy theorist. Called me "out there" also haha! The guy claiming ignorance and personal attacks called me out there. haha!

 

[Prevenger17]

Just from reading this thread and the US one...

If @Grinch @peteblue (and others as well as myself) post any content (even along with positive content) which people disagree with the THOUGHT POLICE launch into personal attacks.

I dont think its left/right wing based, its either:

1: Those who read + try to understand others views.

2: Those who dont understand or agree with others views and then make personal attacks or wum.

3: Those who just read and comment in a polite way.


I'd say those doing (2) who claim to support minorities are in fact hypocrites.

So in fact if you see all the posters replying to me like (2) you can see all the hypocrites.

I was having a Lol Zat. You are posting your views and they are receiving widespread criticism, but that's only because you are taking a minority view at a fairly delicate time. I assume you accept that views can and should be challenged?

I was lumping you in with a couple of our other more controversial posters but, in reality, I don't think you or Pete or Grinch have ever been at risk of getting a ban for offering your opinion. You haven't been censored, you haven't been silenced. You've just been challenged. Your views are unpopular, if you can't take the heat that comes along with that, then maybe stick to the transfer forum.

 

[Walken]

So this is one sided is it?

Dearie me.

for you it clearly is

 

[ToffeeTim]

"We support other peoples views"

But personally attack and insult posters on internet forums posting videos of things which we dont believe in.

Well done lads



I dont feel threatened in the slightest...the protests dont affect me personally whatsoever.

Are we now only allowed to post if were physically affected by something and follow the crowds views and opinions?

What I am doing is seeing huge numbers of posters slating the police and others and shooting down others views.

Its amazing what a reaction 3 vids of black people + asian had here...without context...along with an aerial video + 2 singing videos.

Personal attacks + accusations...from people considering themselves to be

Open minded minority supporting people

Who dont want any minority views shared (on factual videos) if they disagree with them.


Quite bizarre really.

Of course you're allowed your view even if it's a minority view. In fact I support people's right to say their opinion, even when I completely disagree. But others are allowed to respond and disagree with you too.

It's a forum, and that's how normal debate should work.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

@Disgruntledgoat


How many responses to these questions did i get....

Apart from the smarmy rude ones?


Clue: zero.

Ok, let me take your questions in order

1. You haven't asked a question.

2. Protests aren't a policy forum. Unless they get very specific. The current round of protests is a reaction to an unarmed man being murdered by a policeman in a manner similar to countless others over the years where the perpetrators have, essentially, gotten away with it. They are highlighting and opposing a continuing injustice and demanding action from their elected leaders. It is impossible to expect a collective consensus from groups of protesters across many cities and nations.

3. Native Americans and 1st nation people are represented in protests across the world. See Canada, the US, Australia etc. This is a worldwide problem.

4. I don't know the veracity of your claims and I have no answer to those. I don't know.

5. You haven't asked a question

6. I believe I addressed in my earlier responses.

I hope this makes you feel better.

 

[Moomin]

Just because you follow someone on twitter doesn’t make you a fan or support their views!
I follow loads of people I don’t like or agree with with.

I agree with the odd one, but every tweet was from a far right nut.

 

[Zatara]

This is a great time to weed out all the right wing dopes.

Whats this about?

He just wants to defend the police, though not the thought police obvs

Where have i defended the police?

They always end up playing the victim in the end.

Oh hello...whats this?

No no @tsubaki. We've already established that Zat doesn't have any responsibility to fact check his posts from twitter because "he doesn't have an account"

I stated in 2 threads i dont have an acct and saw the vids and posted the links to them.

None of the examples you give are a personal attack or an insult. They are people questioning your views.

lol

I mean, in fairness I made a bit of fun of his rather random use of caps, but if that constitutes a personal attack then yikes, I really don't think Zat is cut out for the internet.

Hmmm am now a right wing police loving victim....

But yeah...

I and others have responded to your questions. You've decided you don't like those answers and shifted the goalposts.

If it's one sided, that may be because nobody agrees with you. Now, I'm quite happy for you to hold whatever views you like and to express them. But you don't get to play the free speech card then complain that other people use theirs to question or point out where they disagree with you.

I cant see where the legal argument or framework is for BLM (or on their website)

I cant see why COVID is being ignored and why

I cant see any reasoning why a singing video is allowed* but a cop being bashed by a skateboard isnt.

I cant see why a group charging over a barrier and fighting police isnt allowed but an aerial video is*.

I cant see why the globe is focused on BLM during other major issues...which are actually destroying an entire country.




*oh they werent allowed either as they were "one sided and right wing"

 

[Jebus_lives]

Ok so why are these guys upset? Is the UK like the US?

We've had marches and vigils etc, and the treatment of aboriginals in custody is a big talking point here now... but it's been peaceful. Is there a specific incident set this off ... or just because?

Maybe they think the same disadvantages and systematic racism experienced by black people in America is also experienced by people in this country and want to stand in solidarity.

 

[JLW]

Is the current protests justified in the current climate (Social distancing) with what’s at risk? and is it being done in the correct way in which it will have an effect??

I may be wrong here but I think this is the point Zat is trying to get across.

 

[Zatara]

Ok, let me take your questions in order

1. You haven't asked a question.

2. Protests aren't a policy forum. Unless they get very specific. The current round of protests is a reaction to an unarmed man being murdered by a policeman in a manner similar to countless others over the years where the perpetrators have, essentially, gotten away with it. They are highlighting and opposing a continuing injustice and demanding action from their elected leaders. It is impossible to expect a collective consensus from groups of protesters across many cities and nations.

3. Native Americans and 1st nation people are represented in protests across the world. See Canada, the US, Australia etc. This is a worldwide problem.

4. I don't know the veracity of your claims and I have no answer to those. I don't know.

5. You haven't asked a question

6. I believe I addressed in my earlier responses.

I hope this makes you feel better.

Thanks so (2)

There are protests taking place in US and UK about a single injustice which has triggered memories of past injustices.

What is it they want done about it in legal terms?

 

[Walken]

If anyone supports the save chester zoo fund but then hasn't supported every other single animal cause on the planet ever, then they are a complete hypocrite IMHO