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[catcherintherye]

How are whites that aren't part of institutions racist towards POC? Why should anyone have to tolerate any discrimination based on the colour of their skin? If 'white boy' is used in a pejorative sense then it's completely akin to use of the n word, or if someone was referred to as black boy.

For someone that was just crying about context, you don't quite seem to grasp it.

I haven't followed the discussion, so apologies if I miss the point, but I've never been too concerned about being called white boy. I think calling someone you white **** might be different.

I had it in another thread on here where I referred to a black professor as a black professor which was deemed to be racist. I really struggle with that. Surely racism is not just noting the colour of someone?

 

[zzr45]

I don’t remember black people enslaving massive amounts of white people, and using “White Boy” as a pejorative term to keep us dehumanised and oppressed. Which is where your argument here falls down completely. That, is why context is important.

I don't remember any white people enslaving anyone en masse at least in the past few months, or are you saying the modern day white people should have to suffer for the crimes of people who lived 200 plus years ago?

Further to this, do you seriously believe casual racism isn’t a thing? That people don’t refer to certain takeaways, and shops as racial slurs? That certain preconceptions are made of people down to skin colour?

Where did I say that exactly? Why should we treat racism against whites any differently than against any other race? Is that just doing the recruiting for the Far Right loons just a little easier?

Can we please just get something straight as I’ve seen people make this point over and over.

institutional racism is not ‘people who work in institutions are racist’.

That is not what the term is. It’s about power structures and processes favouring one race over others.

it is not individual racism within an institution.

I think people are failing to grasp that idea.

the electoral college in the US is a neat example of institutional racism. It doesn’t mean the delegates themselves are racist. It means the structure and process favours one set of people over others.

That wasn't the point, was it? People can be racist outside of institutions in the use of language, actions or whatever else.

 

[Brennan]

Well if you read the whole post the point is that POC experience institutionalised, and systemic racism. You do not get people in the UK missing out on jobs, being repeatedly stopped and searched because they are white. Further to this studies have shown police are 60+% more likely to use stronger force against people from a BAME background.

Precisely how are POC racist towards whites? Do you really think calling someone “white boy” or the like is akin to calling someone the “n” word?

Even further than that, let’s hypothetically say that POC were able to systemically and institutionally discriminate against white people in certain areas, would that mean two wrongs make a right? Or that we should invalidate all of the injustice they suffer?

Not sure why you bothered typing all this to be honest as it’s not resolving the question I asked you.

He didn’t misrepresent your post.

You did say people of colour can’t be racist towards white people due to other issues, it’s a baseless claim.

People can and are racist towards white people every day all around the world. Nobody is arguing it is prevalent or more impactful than the racism against other people. But to say it cannot exist as a result of inequality towards black people is a nonsense.

 

[catcherintherye]

A new blog post and seemingly trying to reinvent himself again.

White skin, black squares

Can I purify my soul in the smelter of a burning police precinct?

samkriss.com

I'll have a read of that. Is the guy quite widely known? I'm sure he writes well, but from experience of him he's a self important buffoon.

 

[mill]

I don't remember any white people enslaving anyone en masse at least in the past few months, or are you saying the modern day white people should have to suffer for the crimes of people who lived 200 plus years ago?


Where did I say that exactly? Why should we treat racism against whites any differently than against any other race? Is that just doing the recruiting for the Far Right loons just a little easier?


That wasn't the point, was it? People can be racist outside of institutions in the use of language, actions or whatever else.

Well the point seems to be that people are still thinking of racism as overt or explicit or at an individual level.

And frankly those people don’t really understand what people are protesting against.

 

[zzr45]

I haven't followed the discussion, so apologies if I miss the point, but I've never been too concerned about being called white boy. I think calling someone you white **** might be different.

I had it in another thread on here where I referred to a black professor as a black professor which was deemed to be racist. I really struggle with that. Surely racism is not just noting the colour of someone?

I worked with someone years ago who would get annoyed if you described anyone by the colour of their skin - i.e. if he asked who so and so was and you said 'oh it's the black guy over there' he'd find it offensive - essentially he didn't like being reduced to the colour of his skin (had grown up in Montreal and often felt that 'black guy' was a way of indicating he was out of the norm or lesser merely based on the colour of his skin.) So using his logic I get how 'black professor' could be deemed racist in that it suggests that a black professor is out of the norm. It isn't a homogeneous definition of course, I remember going round the houses one day to explain who somebody was to another co-worker, he heard me mid way through and just piped up with 'I'm the black guy over here!'

I've always seen it as context heavy.

 

[catcherintherye]

I worked with someone years ago who would get annoyed if you described anyone by the colour of their skin - i.e. if he asked who so and so was and you said 'oh it's the black guy over there' he'd find it offensive - essentially he didn't like being reduced to the colour of his skin (had grown up in Montreal and often felt that 'black guy' was a way of indicating he was out of the norm or different merely based on the colour of his skin.) So using his logic I get how 'black professor' could be deemed racist in that it suggests that a black professor is out of the norm. It isn't a homogeneous definition of course, I remember going round the houses one day to explain who somebody was to another co-worker, he heard me mid way through and just piped up with 'I'm the black guy over here!'

I've always seen it as context heavy.

But sometimes it's worth noting someone's appearance or background. I mean Kevin Campbell was Everton's first black captain. Likewise, if an intruder was say 5 ft 11, white skin, brown eyes etc. I don't know, and it's probably not for me to say but I think at times we are focusing on a lot of the wrong things with the stuff around race currently.

If people get offended then I wouldn't say it, because I suppose all other codes I try not to act like an idiot if I can and wouldn't want to upset someone to prove a point. However if someone referred to me as a white man, I can't say I'd be offended as it's a descriptor.

There's lots of stuff happening to me thats serious, knife crimes, poverty, black people who've lived their lives here being sent to other countries because they can't produce a bit of paper by the Home Office yet the civil servants and politicians who have the power to resolve those issues get off scott free. Meanwhile ordinary black and white people are increasingly censored for what appears to me to be trivial offences. I can understand why a section of people just throw their cards in and say it's ridiculous.

As always I appreciate it's not the most politically correct response, and if people are offended by it I apologise, but they are increasingly my thoughts on where a lot of these discussions are heading.

 

[coollino]

What is Sam up to?

A new blog post and seemingly trying to reinvent himself again.

I'll have a read of that. Is the guy quite widely known? I'm sure he writes well, but from experience of him he's a self important buffoon.

He is well known in my social media bubble, i'm not sure how much to your average Joe but there are BBC, DM articles about him

He has a long history of sexual misconduct, when he got kicked out of Labour, the right (Dan Hodges, Spiked et al) stuck up for him. There is a decent amount of GIles Coren style racism in there too. I think he once ranked who are the hottest refugees.

You'll probably find out a lot if you search his name on Twitter.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Not sure why you bothered typing all this to be honest as it’s not resolving the question I asked you.

He didn’t misrepresent your post.

You did say people of colour can’t be racist towards white people due to other issues, it’s a baseless claim.

People can and are racist towards white people every day all around the world. Nobody is arguing it is prevalent or more impactful than the racism against other people. But to say it cannot exist as a result of inequality towards black people is a nonsense.

Look mate. I had a post from weeks ago brought up today when I have been specifically avoiding this thread due to people messing with context of what people say (on both sides) and finding it to be a generally unpleasant thread for large portions (re. How many people have been banned for spouting vile views)

I sometimes may get a bit carried away with these issues, as BLM is a cause very close to my heart for numerous personal reasons.

I did not need some randomer pulling up a old comment of mine this morning out of context, and then a bunch of other people to jump on me for it. So kindly leave me to go back to avoiding this thread without randomly inferring I’m thick etc.

 

[zzr45]

Look mate. I had a post from weeks ago brought up today when I have been specifically avoiding this thread due to people messing with context of what people say (on both sides) and finding it to be a generally unpleasant thread for large portions (re. How many people have been banned for spouting vile views)

I sometimes may get a bit carried away with these issues, as BLM is a cause very close to my heart for numerous personal reasons.

I did not need some randomer pulling up a old comment of mine this morning out of context, and then a bunch of other people to jump on me for it. So kindly leave me to go back to avoiding this thread without randomly inferring I’m thick etc.

And the victim card comes out again. It was used as an example of people saying that POC can't be racist against whites. Regardless of context or whatever other lame excuses you come up, YOU said it.

Get over yourself already.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It was not; as said before slavery of one sort or another has existed everywhere for as long as recorded history goes back.

Slavery as the Europeans practiced it after 1520 or so (ie: importing people to a new continent to use them for agricultural labour and keeping them as a permanent underclass) however was something developed by the Europeans themselves; the local Africans did not do that.

Sadly yes it was - and to a lesser degree still is in isolated CAHRAs.

When among communities, it is surprising to hear how entrenched tribalism still is on the continent. My experience is that this is not country specific, it is consistent across the continent. There is lots of good work attempting to address some of the human rights abuses (enforced labour, prostitution, child labour etc) that exist but as I say, sadly such things are still prevalent particularly in resource rich areas with weak governance.

 

[Brennan]

Look mate. I had a post from weeks ago brought up today when I have been specifically avoiding this thread due to people messing with context of what people say (on both sides) and finding it to be a generally unpleasant thread for large portions (re. How many people have been banned for spouting vile views)

I sometimes may get a bit carried away with these issues, as BLM is a cause very close to my heart for numerous personal reasons.

I did not need some randomer pulling up a old comment of mine this morning out of context, and then a bunch of other people to jump on me for it. So kindly leave me to go back to avoiding this thread without randomly inferring I’m thick etc.

What a strange post.

Would have been a lot easier to just say “if that’s how it came across it’s not how I meant”.

If you don’t like being challenged on your views it’s probably best not to post them in a public forum.

 

[catcherintherye]

A new blog post and seemingly trying to reinvent himself again.


He is well known in my social media bubble, i'm not sure how much to your average Joe but there are BBC, DM articles about him

He has a long history of sexual misconduct, when he got kicked out of Labour, the right (Dan Hodges, Spiked et al) stuck up for him. There is a decent amount of GIles Coren style racism in there too. I think he once ranked who are the hottest refugees.

You'll probably find out a lot if you search his name on Twitter.

I know the woman who made the accusation against him quite well. The guy is a bit of a tit.

 

[ChesterBlue]

What a strange post.

Would have been a lot easier to just say “if that’s how it came across it’s not how I meant”.

If you don’t like being challenged on your views it’s probably best not to post them in a public forum.

Just leave me alone mate.

 

[Tubey]

This is a good article.

Mike Wedderburn: Black Lives Matter is a cry for help, not an attack on white people

Sky Sports News presenter Mike Wedderburn writes an emotional piece on why it is so important to understand the purpose behind the Black Lives Matter movement

www.skysports.com

However, it shouldn't be necessary. If you have to explain what something is, over and over again, then that something isn't fulfilling it's intended purpose.

For me, it further reiterates that both Black Lives Matter and White Privilege need binning as slogans - they are counter productive.