Current Affairs Liz Truss

[tsubaki]

not that easy to get rid of her unless her front bench resign I guess. Can’t see that happening

I disagree - this is increasingly looking like a problem that has a very clear, very reasonable solution in the British constitution.

If, with a notional majority of 70+, she still cannot have confidence that her legislative programme would get through the Commons then she has no business occupying that office.

Binning nearly her whole "fiscal event" publicly-announced policy and the chancellor off just to save herself is a pretty clear indicator that she doesn't possess the confidence of a majority of MPs in the Commons. Since its likely (given the Tory majority) that someone else could command the confidence of a majority of MPs in the Commons, an invitation from the Palace may well be along shortly.

 

[Yarrgh]

I think that is much more likely - shes not got a base of support in the Parliamentary party, and she just binned off her closest supporter. By the end of the week is likely and I wouldn't be surprised if she was gone by tea-time tomorrow.

I hope that isn't just wishful thinking.

 

[sbbefc]

If she does go it has to be a GE.

I always thought Gordon Brown was on dicey ground when he was in (and I thought he was a decent politician /PM).

I know you vote for your MP and were not a presidency etc etc. But in reality whoever comes in needs a mandate from the electorate.

 

[Marius57]

If/when she goes, and the following leadership contest eventually concludes, I imagine we will be into January.

We won't have had a functioning government in the country since the end of June and will be pushing 8 months.

 

[woomy]

If she does go it has to be a GE.

I always thought Gordon Brown was on dicey ground when he was in (and I thought he was a decent politician /PM).

I know you vote for your MP and were not a presidency etc etc. But in reality whoever comes in needs a mandate from the electorate.

I do believe we need an election if we get another Tory leader.
I am not sure any of them could claim with a straight face to have a mandate.

With Brown though. I am pretty sure we all knew at the election that he was gonna take over. Wasn't it, vote Blair, get Brown?
Memory might be playing tricks on me, but I am sure it was sold as Blair for a year or 2 then Brown would lead going into the following election.

 

[sbbefc]

I do believe we need an election if we get another Tory leader.
I am not sure any of them could claim with a straight face to have a mandate.

With Brown though. I am pretty sure we all knew at the election that he was gonna take over. Wasn't it, vote Blair, get Brown?
Memory might be playing tricks on me, but I am sure it was sold as Blair for a year or 2 then Brown would lead going into the following election.

Wasn't official I guess, but that's true. I mean he was a continuation and stood on the same manifesto. So, far more legitimate than this lot. But, perhaps it's just me, but it doesn't feel quite right having a new PM who hasn't stood as leader at a GE.

 

[tsubaki]

 

[Walken]

If/when she goes, and the following leadership contest eventually concludes, I imagine we will be into January.

We won't have had a functioning government in the country since the end of June and will be pushing 8 months.

This is 100 percent a party issue for the tories aswell, no other factors can be blamed for the chaos they have caused, disgraceful

 

[Haydn]

Brilliant.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Rita_Poon]

Beam me down where...

 

[Rich B]

I disagree - this is increasingly looking like a problem that has a very clear, very reasonable solution in the British constitution.

If, with a notional majority of 70+, she still cannot have confidence that her legislative programme would get through the Commons then she has no business occupying that office.

Binning nearly her whole "fiscal event" publicly-announced policy and the chancellor off just to save herself is a pretty clear indicator that she doesn't possess the confidence of a majority of MPs in the Commons. Since its likely (given the Tory majority) that someone else could command the confidence of a majority of MPs in the Commons, an invitation from the Palace may well be along shortly.

"Hello your Majesty"

"Back again? Dear oh dear!"

 

[Yarrgh]

If/when she goes, and the following leadership contest eventually concludes, I imagine we will be into January.

We won't have had a functioning government in the country since the end of June and will be pushing 8 months.

June but which year?

 

[Eggs]

….Chancellor planning a very early statement this morning with further u-turns on the mini budget.

Attempt to quieten the markets & keep Truss in her job.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

….Chancellor planning a very early statement this morning with further u-turns on the mini budget.

Attempt to quieten the markets & keep Truss in her job.

It's hard to see how this rebuilds confidence in Truss though as it just rolls back everything she said was not only essential but most certainly wouldn't be rolled back on. If anything it undermines her more, surely?

It's a bit reductionist, but the general rule of thumb with decisions is that you take riskier choices when you can easily undo them, but when that's harder to do then you make extra sure you're doing the right thing. Truss and Kwarteng didn't do that as they dismissed pretty much all sound economic advice and plowed ahead regardless. This highlights how poor their decision-making was.