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YoboCopter said:
Even though it says anothet is highly likely does it effect anyones mindset day to day?

I wouldnt change any plans or worry personally not alot you can actually do is there
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Not really, ever since the Government and MI5 starting using threat levels The level has never dropped below substantial which means an attack is likely
 
so a religious fanatic takes a bomb to a hospital for expectant mothers in the middle of Liverpool and is only prevented from carrying out his plan for mass murder through sheer luck, and the reaction of people on here is mainly to crack jokes and frown upon any criticism of the religion which inspired said nutcase. Islam is causing the west a huge problem. And we can't even discuss/criticise it without bringing down a torrent of abuse. If this was an atrocity carried out in the name of christianity, just imagine how much stick organised religion would get on here. Really, there would be no quarter given.
Here, nothing. The thing that really troubles me is the impact on free speech. It's only happened recently but it's everywhere. As a society we've got a big and obviously ongoing problem. We have to discuss it. And we're not. I suppose on the grounds that people don't want to encourage racism. So, as a result we are hobbled at source in our ability to discuss and think our way out of this. this has to be taken on. Criticism of Islam need hold no racist undertones whatsoever. It's a discussion we need to have about the capacity of this religion to inspire mass terror,, its inability to date to reform effectively in the way that christinatiy has , and also its suitability as an organised religion to exist in the west, in its current state given its impact on free speech.
 
Kev50 said:
so a religious fanatic takes a bomb to a hospital for expectant mothers in the middle of Liverpool and is only prevented from carrying out his plan for mass murder through sheer luck, and the reaction of people on here is mainly to crack jokes and frown upon any criticism of the religion which inspired said nutcase. Islam is causing the west a huge problem. And we can't even discuss/criticise it without bringing down a torrent of abuse. If this was an atrocity carried out in the name of christianity, just imagine how much stick organised religion would get on here. Really, there would be no quarter given.
Here, nothing. The thing that really troubles me is the impact on free speech. It's only happened recently but it's everywhere. As a society we've got a big and obviously ongoing problem. We have to discuss it. And we're not. I suppose on the grounds that people don't want to encourage racism. So, as a result we are hobbled at source in our ability to discuss and think our way out of this. this has to be taken on. Criticism of Islam need hold no racist undertones whatsoever. It's a discussion we need to have about the capacity of this religion to inspire mass terror,, its inability to date to reform effectively in the way that christinatiy has , and also its suitability as an organised religion to exist in the west, in its current state given its impact on free speech.
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It's not the place to discuss this so rather not turn it into one and keep it on topic for the most part.

I will say, saying Islam is a problem to the west is extremely broadly putting a far bigger issue in the world.

Mainly because any attack to us is normally because of something we have done to Islamic countries. Islam doesn't hate the west, extremist groups don't generally 'hate the west'. They do operate in a tit for tat and for every innocent westerner killed in a terrorist attack, the west have killed an innocent Muslim.

If we stop killing innocent people in the name of military , we may stop terrorist attacks against us.
 
Ghost Rider said:
It's not the place to discuss this so rather not turn it into one and keep it on topic for the most part.

I will say, saying Islam is a problem to the west is extremely broadly putting a far bigger issue in the world.

Mainly because any attack to us is normally because of something we have done to Islamic countries. Islam doesn't hate the west, extremist groups don't generally 'hate the west'. They do operate in a tit for tat and for every innocent westerner killed in a terrorist attack, the west have killed an innocent Muslim.

If we stop killing innocent people in the name of military , we may stop terrorist attacks against us.
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Like you, I'm reluctant to get into the wider debate, but that debate does desperately need to be had. So that we can bat this issue over the net and fully test it.
 
Kev50 said:
so a religious fanatic takes a bomb to a hospital for expectant mothers in the middle of Liverpool and is only prevented from carrying out his plan for mass murder through sheer luck, and the reaction of people on here is mainly to crack jokes and frown upon any criticism of the religion which inspired said nutcase. Islam is causing the west a huge problem. And we can't even discuss/criticise it without bringing down a torrent of abuse. If this was an atrocity carried out in the name of christianity, just imagine how much stick organised religion would get on here. Really, there would be no quarter given.
Here, nothing. The thing that really troubles me is the impact on free speech. It's only happened recently but it's everywhere. As a society we've got a big and obviously ongoing problem. We have to discuss it. And we're not. I suppose on the grounds that people don't want to encourage racism. So, as a result we are hobbled at source in our ability to discuss and think our way out of this. this has to be taken on. Criticism of Islam need hold no racist undertones whatsoever. It's a discussion we need to have about the capacity of this religion to inspire mass terror,, its inability to date to reform effectively in the way that christinatiy has , and also its suitability as an organised religion to exist in the west, in its current state given its impact on free speech.
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What should we do mate? Light a candle, hold hands and pray?
 
Kev50 said:
so a religious fanatic takes a bomb to a hospital for expectant mothers in the middle of Liverpool and is only prevented from carrying out his plan for mass murder through sheer luck, and the reaction of people on here is mainly to crack jokes and frown upon any criticism of the religion which inspired said nutcase. Islam is causing the west a huge problem. And we can't even discuss/criticise it without bringing down a torrent of abuse. If this was an atrocity carried out in the name of christianity, just imagine how much stick organised religion would get on here. Really, there would be no quarter given.
Here, nothing. The thing that really troubles me is the impact on free speech. It's only happened recently but it's everywhere. As a society we've got a big and obviously ongoing problem. We have to discuss it. And we're not. I suppose on the grounds that people don't want to encourage racism. So, as a result we are hobbled at source in our ability to discuss and think our way out of this. this has to be taken on. Criticism of Islam need hold no racist undertones whatsoever. It's a discussion we need to have about the capacity of this religion to inspire mass terror,, its inability to date to reform effectively in the way that christinatiy has , and also its suitability as an organised religion to exist in the west, in its current state given its impact on free speech.
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It's a perverse interpretation of that religion, that's why.

Just like Klan cant be used to blame Christianity for lynchings and bombing churches.
 
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