Current Affairs Liverpool streets named after slavers....

Should we change the streets named after slavers??


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Genuine question for those who've said yes: should the buildings that were built using the funds from slavery, many on the streets with such names, be torn down?

They are as much a legacy of the slave trade than the streets that 'bear the name' of those who profited from the process.
 
Genuine question for those who've said yes: should the buildings that were built using the funds from slavery, many on the streets with such names, be torn down?

They are as much a legacy of the slave trade than the streets that 'bear the name' of those who profited from the process.

Of course and the whole of the dock area....
 
I voted yes as an Irish Evertonian who had loved visiting Liverpool for nearly 40 years. Slave trading is and was a horrendous outrage.

Having said that, we haven't renamed many of our streets since Independence in spite of them bearing the names of some rather controversial figures.

As an exercise in ego, it is hard to beat the streets around modern O Connell Street in Dublin which were named Drogheda St, Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Mary Street and Off Lane.

Believe it or not these were named after Henry Moore, Earl Of(f) Drogheda, whose wife was Mary!!

Only Drogheda Street was renamed - O Connell Street. It was originally two parallel streets with Sackville Street. These were widened into the one wide Sackville and then O Connell Street.

William Street and Nassau Street remain named in honour of King William III snd the chain of office of the Lord Mayor carries the image of the same illustrious gent!
 
....like it or lump it, slavery is part of the city’s history and street names serve as a reminder. We can’t obliterate history, even if there are aspects we wouldn’t chose to celebrate.

The Goree is an island off the African coast synonymous with slavery and also a part of the Dock Rd. I was told there are marks on the old wall where the shackles were attached but i’m not sure if that’s the case.
I don't think the slaves were brought to Liverpool. It was a triangular trade with goods taken by ships to West Africa and exchanged for slaves, who were then carried to America. They were then sold in the Americas and the money used to buy cotton, sugar, tobacco etc which were carried back to Liverpool.
It has to be remembered that Britain was at the forefront of abolishing the trade using British ships, and also that slave trading had been going on for hundreds of years before British involvement and still goes on to this day in parts of the world. In that context the Liverpool involvement was short lived, although very lucrative at the time.
 
Genuine question for those who've said yes: should the buildings that were built using the funds from slavery, many on the streets with such names, be torn down?

They are as much a legacy of the slave trade than the streets that 'bear the name' of those who profited from the process.

No, what a stupid thing to suggest.
 
I don't think the slaves were brought to Liverpool. It was a triangular trade with goods taken by ships to West Africa and exchanged for slaves, who were then carried to America. They were then sold in the Americas and the money used to buy cotton, sugar, tobacco etc which were carried back to Liverpool.
It has to be remembered that Britain was at the forefront of abolishing the trade using British ships, and also that slave trading had been going on for hundreds of years before British involvement and still goes on to this day in parts of the world. In that context the Liverpool involvement was short lived, although very lucrative at the time.

The trade links formed during the slave trade ensured that Liverpool traders dominated the trade in palm oil in the 18th and 19th centuries, so it can be legitimately argued Liverpool only became the city of Empire, with all of the accompanying Imperialistic buildings such as St George's Hall, because of its prior involvement in the slave trade.
 
The trade links formed during the slave trade ensured that Liverpool traders dominated the trade in palm oil in the 18th and 19th centuries, so it can be legitimately argued Liverpool only became the city of Empire, with all of the accompanying Imperialistic buildings such as St George's Hall, because of its prior involvement in the slave trade.

Like Bristol, at the time, it faced the "right" way.
 
The trade links formed during the slave trade ensured that Liverpool traders dominated the trade in palm oil in the 18th and 19th centuries, so it can be legitimately argued Liverpool only became the city of Empire, with all of the accompanying Imperialistic buildings such as St George's Hall, because of its prior involvement in the slave trade.
Which is what I was alluding to in the last sentence of my post:

"In that context the Liverpool involvement was short lived, although very lucrative at the time."

You could just as easily argue that without the slave trade, and the imports of cotton that paid for, Manchester wouldn't have had the growth it enjoyed either. It's history, it's what happened in a different age with different values. Move on.
 
I don't think the slaves were brought to Liverpool. It was a triangular trade with goods taken by ships to West Africa and exchanged for slaves, who were then carried to America. They were then sold in the Americas and the money used to buy cotton, sugar, tobacco etc which were carried back to Liverpool.
It has to be remembered that Britain was at the forefront of abolishing the trade using British ships, and also that slave trading had been going on for hundreds of years before British involvement and still goes on to this day in parts of the world. In that context the Liverpool involvement was short lived, although very lucrative at the time.
The trade links formed during the slave trade ensured that Liverpool traders dominated the trade in palm oil in the 18th and 19th centuries, so it can be legitimately argued Liverpool only became the city of Empire, with all of the accompanying Imperialistic buildings such as St George's Hall, because of its prior involvement in the slave trade.
For me, its a little bit of A and a little bit of B. While slaves were not brought to Liverpool, it was one leg of the transatlantic trade triangle that involved slavery.

Undoubtedly, Liverpool flourished as part of the slave trade as it was our merchants who owned the ships that transported them, while also trading from the profits.

We moved manufactured cotton and other goods (rum, weapons etc.) to Africa where they were traded for slaves - the Benin Kingdom plays a large part in this.

The slaves were taken to the Americas where they were used to harvest raw cotton and, often later, work on plantations producing other materials.

Our ships were once again used here, which were transported back to the UK; all in all, British merchants profited greatly from it, but alongside other parties.

It was from this wealth that Liverpool became such a dominant port, as even after slavery was rightfully abolished the merchants continued trading other goods.

Whatever people would like to say, Liverpool was built on slavery and then later cotton, sugar/molasses, palm oil, rum and tobacco: they all went together.

To try and hide the fact, by remaining streets, to me wreaks of trying to whitewash a section of history, while we may not be proud of it, is a fundamental part.

Like I alluded to earlier, if people want to clear the whole process from the annuals then surely we should erase all aspects, and that should include buildings.

If the process is really necessary, it should also include all parties and all their wealt and success, rather than a token gesture from one element of the process.

Should that include Liverpool, Manchester, Lancashire textile mills, London, areas of Africa, the Caribbean and other areas of the America?

It was wrong, accept that, ensure that it is taught to one and all, alongside makeing sure that it never happens again; don't, simply hide it away...
 
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