Current Affairs Liverpool streets named after slavers....

Should we change the streets named after slavers??


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For me, its a little bit of A and a little bit of B. While slaves were not brought to Liverpool, it was one leg of the transatlantic trade triangle that involved slavery.

Undoubtedly, Liverpool flourished as part of the slave trade as it was our merchants who owned the ships that transported them, while also trading from the profits.

We moved manufactured cotton and other goods (rum, weapons etc.) to Africa where they were traded for slaves - the Benin Kingdom plays a large part in this.

The slaves were taken to the Americas where they were used to harvest raw cotton and, often later, work on plantations producing other materials.

Our ships were once again used here, which were transported back to the UK; all in all, British merchants profited greatly from it, but alongside other parties.

It was from this wealth that Liverpool became such a dominant port, as even after slavery was rightfully abolished the merchants continued trading other goods.

Whatever people would like to say, Liverpool was built on slavery and then later cotton, sugar/molasses, palm oil, rum and tobacco: they all went together.

To try and hide the fact, by remaining streets, to me wreaks of trying to whitewash a section of history, while we may not be proud of it, is a fundamental part.

Like I alluded to earlier, if people want to clear the whole process from the annuals then surely we should erase all aspects, and that should include buildings.

If the process is really necessary, it should also include all parties and all their wealt and success, rather than a token gesture from one element of the process.

Should that include Liverpool, Manchester, Lancashire textile mills, London, areas of Africa, the Caribbean and other areas of the America?

It was wrong, accept that, ensure that it is taught to one and all, alongside makeing sure that it never happens again; don't, simply hide it away...

May as well wipe out the African tribes who captured and sold their neighbours into chains too.

Or let's chase down the Arabian states and check they haven't named any market stalls after anyone who used to kidnap people from coastal towns.

God forbid we channel the "white guilt" into anything that can put a stop to modern slavery.
 
I'm looking forward to reading Douglas Murray's new book that just came out.



His last one on immigration made me reevaluate opinions I'd held all my adult life.


I'd save yourself the bother and just stare at Twitter for ten hours; you'll learn as much and it will be cheaper.
 
Renaming streets isn’t the answer for me. It lies through education and understanding of our past. From this we can understand and learn.

I think the Maritime Museum is brilliant in reminding people of the City’s history. It does this in a balanced and informative way - it doesn’t hide from this period in the City’s history, but provides artefacts and information as to help explain, if not excuse or seek to eradicate what happened centuries before.

I applaud the attention on the subject if only to help a new generation understand and recognise the abhorrent abuse of human beings for personal profiteering. We can’t turn back the clock but Id like to think that as a society we can certainly learn and improve from the injustices of the past. Education helps us do that.
 
I'd save yourself the bother and just stare at Twitter for ten hours; you'll learn as much and it will be cheaper.

Go watch some of his interviews, he did one with Joe.co.uk of all channels last week that was actually excellent.

I think the Maritime Museum is brilliant in reminding people of the City’s history. It does this in a balanced and informative way - it doesn’t hide from this period in the City’s history, but provides artefacts and information as to help explain, if not excuse or seek to eradicate what happened centuries before.

Not sure I should say this publicly but I've worked indirectly for the Maritime Museum.

I won't say what I was doing but a couple of years ago I actually sat in a meeting as the only white guy and observed two "people of colour" discuss strategies in how can we make Black History Month as big a deal as Chinese New Year is in Liverpool and use it as a way make money.

They weren't activists or cared about any issues, one was involved in the music industry and the other a television producer. Social Justice is an industry filled with opportunists looking for a quick buck and to further their careers. It opened my eyes and I still feel a bit guilty taking payment for events that were incredibly badly run, no one turned up for and a terrible waste of resources.

I'm on an emailing list of all the council's arts funded programs, cultural events, festivals, exhibitions, workshops, grant applications and see where the City's budget is getting spent. In some cases I'm often discriminated against applying for most of these positions because of my gender, race and sexual orientation.

I didn't use to be a political person but my access has given me a unique insight on these issues.
 
That would make an ounce of sense if they were mutually exclusive.
Nobody living has had anything to do with Liverpools slave history for 3/4 generations.
Lets concentrate on the real slavery going on in Britain today.
Unless pointless grievance politics is your game, if so lets talk about the barbary states and how they enlsaved Britons in the 19th century.
 
Go watch some of his interviews, he did one with Joe.co.uk of all channels last week that was actually excellent.



Not sure I should say this publicly but I've worked indirectly for the Maritime Museum.

I won't say what I was doing but a couple of years ago I actually sat in a meeting as the only white guy and observed two "people of colour" discuss strategies in how can we make Black History Month as big a deal as Chinese New Year is in Liverpool and use it as a way make money.

They weren't activists or cared about any issues, one was involved in the music industry and the other a television producer. Social Justice is an industry filled with opportunists looking for a quick buck and to further their careers. It opened my eyes and I still feel a bit guilty taking payment for events that were incredibly badly run, no one turned up for and a terrible waste of resources.

I'm on an emailing list of all the council's arts funded programs, cultural events, festivals, exhibitions, workshops, grant applications and see where the City's budget is getting spent. In some cases I'm often discriminated against applying for most of these positions because of my gender, race and sexual orientation.

I didn't use to be a political person but my access has given me a unique insight on these issues.

I am familiar with his work; I just find it appalling that he has managed to make a lucrative career out of pretending that he is some sort of free thinker. Well paid philosophy is after all nearly always bad philosophy.

He is exactly the same sort of person you rail against in the second part of your post, except for the fact that the people he shills for have vastly more money than “social justice” has ever had.
 
Nobody living has had anything to do with Liverpools slave history for 3/4 generations.
Lets concentrate on the real slavery going on in Britain today.
Unless pointless grievance politics is your game, if so lets talk about the barbary states and how they enlsaved Britons in the 19th century.
most of the people living in Liverpool , in three or four generations ago would have been living day to day to feed themselves and living in squalor , the vast majority would have gained absolutely nothing from the profits of the slave or indeed any other trade at the time.
you are correct we should be looking at modern slavery in Britain today as a more urgent matter.
 
Go watch some of his interviews, he did one with Joe.co.uk of all channels last week that was actually excellent.



Not sure I should say this publicly but I've worked indirectly for the Maritime Museum.

I won't say what I was doing but a couple of years ago I actually sat in a meeting as the only white guy and observed two "people of colour" discuss strategies in how can we make Black History Month as big a deal as Chinese New Year is in Liverpool and use it as a way make money.

They weren't activists or cared about any issues, one was involved in the music industry and the other a television producer. Social Justice is an industry filled with opportunists looking for a quick buck and to further their careers. It opened my eyes and I still feel a bit guilty taking payment for events that were incredibly badly run, no one turned up for and a terrible waste of resources.

I'm on an emailing list of all the council's arts funded programs, cultural events, festivals, exhibitions, workshops, grant applications and see where the City's budget is getting spent. In some cases I'm often discriminated against applying for most of these positions because of my gender, race and sexual orientation.

I didn't use to be a political person but my access has given me a unique insight on these issues.

Do you get a letter telling you you didn't get the funding because of any of this? Got any proof for the previous stuff that isn't just an anecdotal, 'two black people did a bad thing' comment?
 
Nobody living has had anything to do with Liverpools slave history for 3/4 generations.
Lets concentrate on the real slavery going on in Britain today.
Unless pointless grievance politics is your game, if so lets talk about the barbary states and how they enlsaved Britons in the 19th century.
That's not really a follow on from my point.
 
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