Let the counter-briefing begin

[NilSatisOptimum]

Moyes, a manager who engineered his move from us behind our back without the club knowing.

He should be nowhere near our club, he had his chance, nice one, move on.

No secret Ferguson wanted him as his number two for years before he left.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

No secret Ferguson wanted him as his number two for years before he left.

He wanted him as his number two back into his Preston days.

The engineering of his move to UTD and secret meetings with Fergie, was done completely without regard for this club.

He is a snide. I want him nowhere near the club.

 

[Yarrgh]

• Friendly journalist ponders "Surely Everton have a list of managers they'd have gone down if Ancelotti had said no 18 months ago? The #2 must be the favourite, as that suggests a strategy"
• Local journalist questions "how have Coleman, Gylfi, Davies, DCL, Keane, Holgate all outlasted yet another Everton manager? Maybe this spine (lol) of the squad is the problem?"

The first of the points I snipped from the original post; A man in his 60s coming up to retirement age in a high stress profession with high rates of churn - if there's not a list of candidates with a plan for replacing him at the drop of a hat then there's something seriously wrong. It wouldn't mean that we weren't backing him and hoping he'd be here long term but that's surely how a well run club is run?

As for the second point, how indeed? Unfortunately the question for most of the older players is how to get shut of such overpriced players without it impacting our finances that it affects who can come in. I'd have more sympathy if we had moved Delph or Gomes or Sigurdsson on already.

 

[orly]

Ah, that's "pat fans on the head" ticked off again.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He wanted him as his number two back into his Preston days.

The engineering of his move to UTD and secret meetings with Fergie, was done completely without regard for this club.

He is a snide. I want him nowhere near the club.

Indeed we knew what we were getting, but that's football, well top tier for the most part. Remember the crowing when he nabbed off with Stones all set for Wigan, what comes round goes round

Still don't go back whatever the history, and Moyes is riding high on previous West ham manager signings... By 2022-23 that inevitable style will be all too evident on the pitch.

 

[orly]

Getting really painful this. So, so lazy.

 

[orly]

Oh god it's worked

I've been manipulated into thinking it's between Nuno and Moyes and I want Moyes

INTERVENTION INTERVENTION

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I've been manipulated into thinking it's between Nuno and Moyes and I want Moyes

INTERVENTION INTERVENTION

Don't be sucked in.... remember what he done, and Nuno is such a Meh I cant even big him up or slag him off haha

 

[orly]

"I've read it's one of the biggest decisions the chairman and owner has got is to get the right manager at the same time but I do actually believe whoever comes in, he has actually got the best time to come into a changing room."

Chairman shouldn't be anywhere near it Phil. But anyone who watches your "interview" can see you're reading from notes.

 

[Daytripper]

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Chairman shouldn't be anywhere near it Phil. But anyone who watches your "interview" can see you're reading from notes.

I remember all that “he has no influence “ tripe . It’s nonsense.

 

[orly]

The ECHO have just published an Ancelotti press release which has everyone foaming at the mouth

Bullet point one in the OP. Amazing.

 

[Camboselecta]

Great post and totally true. Why do we never seem to have an actual plan? Im presuming its Moshiri, Kenwright and Brands that make the plan with DBB and Ryazantsev helping to work out the finances. Is that right? Are they just sitting around pulling names out the air every time this happens? Or is it just Moshiri saying who he wants? Id love to know if they have a strategy for pushing this club forward or are just happy to all have jobs and cruise along. We could switch the board for Gomes, Tosun, Sandro and Besic.

 

[orly]

Great post and totally true. Why do we never seem to have an actual plan? Im presuming its Moshiri, Kenwright and Brands that make the plan with DBB and Ryazantsev helping to work out the finances. Is that right? Are they just sitting around pulling names out the air every time this happens? Or is it just Moshiri saying who he wants? Id love to know if they have a strategy for pushing this club forward or are just happy to all have jobs and cruise along. We could switch the board for Gomes, Tosun, Sandro and Besic.

But that's it isn't it. Any normal club with a fully functioning strategy would have shrugged and gone after an already identified coach (or worked down a list of coaches) who fitted the club ethos.

Instead we're going from a multiple CL-winning manager to a manager who has won nothing at the top level; a manager who has nothing in common in terms of footballing ethos with Moyes, Martinez, Allardyce, Silva, so we're not even building on anything.

And the club's way of managing this in the media is (again) to organise a load of bile via the usual friends-of-the-club hit squad. A path well trodden from Rooney's first departure onwards. Our comms is being delivered by Dave "Steal Your Copy" Prentice.

 

[orly]

Phil McNulty - another regular - BBC website https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57336509

It is not known whether the Scot would be willing to turn his back on the Hammers if a chance of returning to Everton - the club where he had so much success before leaving in 2013 to replace Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United - was offered.

Just so much success.

Where are the journalistic ethics here? Maddock, McNulty, King et al. seem to be completely comfortable peddling easily to rebut fake news. Why even write it in the first place?

 

[Shibbywiggles]

Great thread, I laughed, cried and raged all together.