Current Affairs Labour and Anti Semitism.......
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dannyboy
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I do wonder if they'll have the balls to go through with this new party. It seems to be gaining traction but it's difficult to see the cowards actually risk losing their safe seats.
davek
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No chance. They saw what happened to the SDP years ago.
The Blairite Labour MPs will just hang on for the remaining years of their Parliamentary pay packet and crawl off back under their stones.
dannyboy
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Well apparently they've got the name 'Back Together' and Chris Leslie is busy spending his summer writing policy for them... I agree though, all a load of crap. Not an ounce of courage between them.
Up the tricky reds.
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dannyboy
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As many have pointed out, back together for one final tour before fading off into complete and utter insignificance.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I think it’s an issue for Jews. The issue is not about whether Labour can win an election......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
And now he’s not even popular.....
Dave, do you think that if those MPs form a new party that no votes will leave with them?
To be honest mate I'm not sure it is. The inlaws family are all Jewish and it's not an issue for them. They have become more pro Corbyn as a result of this. It looks like a bit of a desperate smear and sections of the right have become a bit deranged on the topic, rather than just talking about how they can help people.
Osborne was very good at this (the latter) and hammered the election. I'm not one to give praise to the right much, but his performance up to the 2015 was masterful and one of the best example's of outstanding performance in politics in recent times. I would say it's the most remarkable performance from a political party at an election in 20 years. He did it because he didn't get too bogged down in ridiculous conspiracy theories, and try to play to the alt right lot, but focussed on what ordinary centrist voters were concerned with and provide assurances.
What neither of those polls show is the swing. On one poll there's a 4% increase for Labour, on another it's a 7% increase. Further data from yougov showed that only about 12% of people were really bothered about the story and most of them will be voters who are already tories.
This story is basically right wing people, whipping themselves into a frenzy, presenting incorrect information (that most of the public can see) and getting extremely (and increasingly angry) as nobody takes any notice of them. I kind of know this pattern, as this is what the far left are famed for. Positioning a narrative in such a way that it appears black and white, not really considering alternative assessments/interpretations of the event (and abusing people who try to provide this) and not taking any notice of what people outside their bubble say or think.
They have attacked Corbyn too much, and the public have grown immune to it. I always felt that it would have an immediate impact (which it did) but it would wear off. In the election the more personally they tried to attack Corbyn the worse the tories polls rating sunk and the more Labour's increased. There's only so much you can lie about someone until people think it's bullying (I do think there's a bit of that with Trump and the media, and possibly even May & the media).
That's the best case scenario for the Tories. That people agree with them but are basically sick of their conduct. The worst case scenario is that people like Jeremy Corbyn a lot, and that what they are chatting is extremely unpopular. For me it's the Lynton Crosby impact on the party. He is good at coming in at the last minute, spreading some dirt on opponents and getting a quick boost. It's not a long term strategy though which has been shown up.
From a left perspective, I hope they continue to attack Corbyn. It won't stick with the public. People see he is a decent principled bloke. Even if he's made mistakes he does so with the right intentions. People understand that.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...e-of-cemetery-visit?__twitter_impression=true
Prepare to see a far more combative Labour Party.
Prepare to see a far more combative Labour Party.
NilSatisOptimum
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But countered by the much bigger problem of islalmaphobia in the Tory party, as well as it's own issues with anti-Semitism. And other parties only being peripheral. Its good times for social democracy.
davids
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I'd just be happier with a far more Socialist Labour Party.Throwing out those MP's who happily accepted their 7k a year rise while the rest of the country enjoyed the fruits of austerity would be a start.
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