Current Affairs Labour and Anti Semitism.......

[superblue123]

Again though, the question over whether these men were anything to do with Munich is a very real one. The Israelis did not kill three of the four - centrism's Saddam Hussein did (probably) - and the fourth was killed in circumstances that strongly suggest there were other reasons why he was killed.

One of them, Salah Khalaf, founded Black September; another, al-Omari, was a key aide of Khalaf. Don’t think it matters who killed them. Corbyn should have been more aware. He is incredibly knowledgeable on this subject.

Oh my, he stood silent during the national anthem, what a brute

I think you have slightly missed the point I was trying to make. I have no point to make on Corbyn singing/not singing - quite frankly I do not care. I was making the point that Corbyn sees himself as a man of integrity and is not forced into doing anything. Which undermines the original point that was being made that he was unaware what was going on at the ceremony.

 

[superblue123]

Mate, no one cares about a load of Zionists running round pissing their pants. The media do, but the British public couldn't give a flying one. It has zero cut through in voting terms, unless you live in Golders Green, I suppose.

Bravo. This exact post would fall foul of the IHRA definition and even Labour’s NEC Code of Conduct. Shame.

 

[davek]

Bravo. This exact post would fall foul of the IHRA definition and even Labour’s NEC Code of Conduct. Shame.

How so?

 

[superblue123]

How so?

Taken directly from the NEC code:

However, as the Chakrabarti Report advised, it is not permissible to use “Zionist” (and still less any pejorative abbreviation such as ‘zio’ which the Chakrabarti report said should have no place in Labour Party discourse) as a code word for “Jew”. Chakrabarti recommended that Labour Party members should only use “the term `Zionist’ advisedly, carefully and never euphemistically or as part of personal abuse”. Such language may otherwise provide evidence of antisemitic intent.

 

[davek]

Taken directly from the NEC code:

However, as the Chakrabarti Report advised, it is not permissible to use “Zionist” (and still less any pejorative abbreviation such as ‘zio’ which the Chakrabarti report said should have no place in Labour Party discourse) as a code word for “Jew”. Chakrabarti recommended that Labour Party members should only use “the term `Zionist’ advisedly, carefully and never euphemistically or as part of personal abuse”. Such language may otherwise provide evidence of antisemitic intent.

How have I conflated them? To think so - and argue that I'd done that - would be to suggest that ALL Jewish people in that area of London were Zionists, and that is obviously not factually correct.

 

[davids]

It is hard to reason with someone that does not classify the Black September group as terrorists.

I didn't say they weren't terrorists,I said they were executed without a trial.Thats what the democratic rule of law is.And that is what seperates us from terrorists.Allegedly.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

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Its a wreath there were many being layed that day for terrorist act that was widely condemned, are you say saying Corbyn should not lay wreaths for victims of terrorism? He only denied laying a wreath for this September group.

People really do need to realise when they are being spoon fed.

Its desperate stuff now this Corbyn bashing and more and more people are seeing through the partisan behaviour. Carry on I say its strengthening his position, siege mentality is very useful.

 

[superblue123]

How have I conflated them? To think so - and argue that I'd done that - would be to suggest that ALL Jewish people in that area of London were Zionists, and that is obviously not factually correct.

Golders Green is known for one reason only - being Jewish.

The use of Zionists in your first sentence, in my view of the NEC code, qualifies as a substitute for Jews by your reference to Golders Green in your third sentence.

Was making an association to GG necessary?

 

[davek]

Golders Green is known for one reason only - being Jewish.

The use of Zionists in your first sentence, in my view of the NEC code, qualifies as a substitute for Jews by your reference to Golders Green in your third sentence.

Was making an association to GG necessary?

It was necessary yes. Here's why: the point being made was zero electoral cut through for the anti-Corbynist pro-Israeli lobby. Though with one caveat based on recent LOCAL election results: that areas with a large Jewish constituency could swing it against Labour...and that's because there would undoubtedly be amongst that said constituency a sizeable zionist/pro-Israeli state element.

There is no conflation. Only in the bizarre minds of witchhunters.

 

[abelard]

You can tell that some people on here don't actually take politics very seriously at all

 

[superblue123]

It was necessary yes. Here's why: the point being made was zero electoral cut through for the anti-Corbynist pro-Israeli lobby. Though with one caveat based on recent LOCAL election results: that areas with a large Jewish constituency could swing it against Labour...and that's because there would undoubtedly be amongst that said constituency a sizeable zionist/pro-Israeli state element.

There is no conflation. Only in the bizarre minds of witchhunters.

I bet you don’t even think that Labour has an anti-semitism problem, and that this is all a game of smears and witch hunts.

Maybe they were just areas with a large Jewish population that voted against Labour candidates because of the anti-semitism seen in all levels of the party or Corbyn’s inaction following meetings with the mainstream Jewish organisations to combat anti-semitism seriously (an act Corbyn himself admitted just a week ago). British Jews have legitimate concerns.

 

[tsubaki]

One of them, Salah Khalaf, founded Black September; another, al-Omari, was a key aide of Khalaf. Don’t think it matters who killed them. Corbyn should have been more aware. He is incredibly knowledgeable on this subject.

Founding Black September (which Khalaf denied doing, by the way) is not the same as being "the perpetrators of Munich".

As for the rest, if Corbyn was aware of who he was (and as you say he is familiar with the history of it all) then he probably believed Khalaf was a long term and senior member of the PLO, who talked peace on occasion but had supported / used violence at other times and who was considered someone that the US could negotiate with.

This idea that he was always someone irredeemable and therefore to be seen near his grave is something that should be condemned is not one that is supported by any evidence.

 

[tsubaki]

I bet you don’t even think that Labour has an anti-semitism problem, and that this is all a game of smears and witch hunts.

Maybe they were just areas with a large Jewish population that voted against Labour candidates because of the anti-semitism seen in all levels of the party or Corbyn’s inaction following meetings with the mainstream Jewish organisations to combat anti-semitism seriously (an act Corbyn himself admitted just a week ago). British Jews have legitimate concerns.

They do have legitimate concerns, though community leaders and the community press have done their best to magnify those concerns out of all recognition.

However it should be pointed out though that - in the one election where Corbyn has been leader of the Labour Party - that the share of the Labour vote and the number of votes for Labour in Golders Green went up, just as it did in Stamford Hill.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I bet you don’t even think that Labour has an anti-semitism problem, and that this is all a game of smears and witch hunts.

Maybe they were just areas with a large Jewish population that voted against Labour candidates because of the anti-semitism seen in all levels of the party or Corbyn’s inaction following meetings with the mainstream Jewish organisations to combat anti-semitism seriously (an act Corbyn himself admitted just a week ago). British Jews have legitimate concerns.

I listened to a Jewish fella on LBC the other week, saying that if Corbyn became PM he and 30% of British Jews (his words) would leave the U.K., as they’d feel unsafe in a Corbyn lead country.

It was without doubt one of the most idiotic phone in calls I’ve ever heard. The bloke was seriously trying to float the idea that a Labour Govt would somehow produce a serious risk of actual danger to the Jewish community, he was no duck egg either, so it was both contrived and deliberate. It summed up the entire issue for me, as the idea of a U.K. Govt having an issue with Israel that it was prepared to stand up and speak openly about, is obviously so abhorrent to Israelis that they’re absolutely desperate to do whatever it takes to stop it happening. Deliberately conflating a perfectly reasonable position of calling out Israel with anti semitism is low, but a tactic that Israel has used for decades.

 

[Joey66]

Mate, no one cares about a load of Zionists running round pissing their pants. The media do, but the British public couldn't give a flying one. It has zero cut through in voting terms, unless you live in Golders Green, I suppose.

They will when voting day comes - a half decent leader unlike Corbyn would march into no 10 with ease.......
As it stands now the Tories infighting, and he is mixed up in Anti Semitic values ......
Untill they select a noteworthy Labour leader- I will stay away from voting!