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peteblue said:
It’s really about not adopting what everybody else seems to accept as antisemitism.....from the Labour supporting Guardian....
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The Groan have been vehemently anti-Corbyn ever since he became leader, with only the odd pro/neutral-Corbyn piece to 'balance' the output.

Regarding Israel: we are all free, including politicians, to criticise Israeli-policy. That has absolutely zero to do with anti-semitism.
 
Tubey said:
I don't think he is an anti-semite; I think he just hates Israel. But that's the point - I'm just guessing here (albeit a very obvious, well educated guess), because he won't just say it as it is because he constantly hedges his bets.

This is precisely why he's a poor politician and a poor leader, as he needs something to campaign for or against to get him actually going - which is why he's great at a General Election but terrible every other moment.
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For a supposed nice bloke, Corbyn does a great impression of a passive-aggressive shithouse. I've wondered if this is down to him having a plague of labour activists up his ringpiece who are always trying to operate him one way or the other, clouding every issue. Or if he just is like that and doesn't have the appetite for the constant small confrontations you need to go through on a daily basis to lead a political party.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I do realise that's why so many people are turned off from the whole thing. If you remember, he came into the leadership pledging to do things differently. His short-lived 'questions from Janice' thing at PMQs etc.
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While most people would love to see a politician do things differently and do what is the right thing, I guess they have to play the game to some level to be in a position to make a difference. However, if he did get in and was just more of the same with some superficial liberal policy changes then in fairness you'd be completely right to question his principles and I would hope a huge amount of people would be very disappointed and angry.

Unfortunately the most probable reaction would be blind defense of their chosen side despite the obvious evidence.
 
davek said:
Margaret Hodge is a disgraceful old Zionist apologist for an apartheid regime. She and her Tory Party and Tory media backers are upset that they cant get the LP under the leadership of a very decent man to accept their filthy inuhumane supportive view of Israel and their many apologists.

She and the rest of them need to get out of Labour now and form their own party, because the LP under Corbyn doesn't endorse Israeli racism or the neo-liberal political-economy that she and her extreme right wing Blairite cohorts personify.
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thats 3/4 of the party gone then........
 

Were-enormously-proud-to-stand-with-over-30-Jewish-organizations-worldwide-to-say-no-to-this-harmful-definition-of-anti-semitism-and-yes-to-human-rights-and-the-freedom-to-protest..jpg

FIRST EVER: 40 JEWISH GROUPS WORLDWIDE OPPOSE EQUATING ANTISEMITISM WITH CRITICISM OF ISRAEL
17 JULY 2018BOYCOTT, DIVESTMENT AND SANCTIONS/PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 17, 2018
Contact: Sonya E Meyerson-Knox | sonya@jvp.org | 929-290-0317
Jewish Voice for Peace proud to stand in global solidarity against harmful definition of antisemitism and with human rights and freedom to protest
New York, London, Berlin, Tel Aviv (July 17, 2018) – From South Africa to Sweden, New Zealand to Germany to Brazil, for the first time ever over thirty Jewish organizations across the globecame together in a statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel.
The statement warns of a growing trend of legislative campaigns to target organizations that support Palestinian rights, particularly the nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
“From our own histories we are all too aware of the dangers of increasingly fascistic and openly racist governments and political parties,” the global letter states. “The rise in antisemitic discourse and attacks worldwide is part of that broader trend. At times like this, it is more important than ever to distinguish between the hostility to or prejudice against Jews on the one hand and legitimate critiques of Israeli policies and system of injustice on the other.”
The United States has witnessed increasing legislative efforts to criminalize the boycott of illegal Israeli settlements and repress advocacy for Palestinian human rights by defining such acts as antisemitic, with two bills currently under discussion in US Congress. Such efforts are mirrored at the state level, where more than 25 state legislatures have considered or enacted various forms of targeting advocacy for Palestinian rights.
Of particular concern is the usage of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, intentionally worded such that it equates legitimate criticisms of Israel and advocacy for Palestinian rights with antisemitism, as a means to suppress the former.
A similar approach is being employed across Europe. In France and Germany, the bank accounts of BDS groups were closed and campaigns promoting the boycott of goods from illegal Israeli settlements were convicted of incitement to hatred. The UK has witnessed an ongoing battle about the legality of local government boycotts against Israeli settlements.
The state of Israel has waged its own campaign against advocates of BDS. In January, the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs announced a banprohibiting the leaders of 20 organizations worldwide from entering Israel, including Jewish Voice for Peace, for supporting BDS. And in 2015, the Israeli High Court upheld a law which allows individuals to sue individuals calling for a boycott of Israel or of companies profiting from illegal Israeli settlements.
“IT IS VITAL THAT JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE STAND UNITED AGAINST HARMFUL DEFINITIONS OF ANTISEMITISM AND TOGETHER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE FREEDOM TO PROTEST. WE AT JVP ARE PROUD TO HAVE INITIATED THIS HISTORIC EFFORT,”​
stated Rebecca Vilkomerson, Jewish Voice for Peace Executive Director.
Ms. Vilkomerson is available to speak with the media.
List of endorsing Jewish organizations:
Academia4equality (Israel)
Boycott from Within (Israeli citizens for BDS)
Coalition of Women for Peace (Israel)
Collectif Judéo Arabe et Citoyen pour la Palestine (France)
Dayenu: New Zealand Jews Against Occupation (New Zealand)
Een Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice) (The Netherlands)
Een Andere Joodse Stem – Another Jewish Voice (Flanders, Belgium)
European Jews for a Just Peace
Free Speech on Israel (UK)
Gate48 – critical Israelis in the Netherlands
Independent Jewish Voices (Canada)
Independent Jewish Voices (UK)
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
Italian Network of Jews Against the Occupation
Jewish Anti-Fascist Action Berlin (Germany)
Jewish Socialists’ Group (UK)
Jewish Voice for Democracy and Justice in Israel/Palestine (Switzerland)
Jewish Voice For Labour (UK)
Jewish Voice for Peace (USA)
Jewish Voice for Peace members in London (UK)
Jews Against Fascism (Australia)
Jews against the Occupation (Australia)
Jews for Justice for Palestinians (UK)
Jews for Palestinian Right of Return (USA)
Jews of Color & Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews in Solidarity w/ Palestine (USA)
Jews Say No! (USA)
JIPF – Judar för Israelisk Palestinsk Fred (Sweden)
Jüdische Stimme für gerechten Frieden im Nahost e.V. (Germany)
Junts, Associació Catalana de Jueus i Palestins (Catalonia, Spain)
Los Otros Judíos (Argentina)
Manchester Jewish Action for Palestine (UK)
Quebrando Muros – Judeus Brasileiros Pela Descolonização da Palestina (Brazil)
Scottish Jews Against Zionism
SEDQ Network- A Global Jewish Network for Justice
South African Jewish Voices for a Just Peace (South Africa)
South African Jews for a Free Palestine (South Africa)
Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique (Saint-Gilles, Belgium)
United Jewish People’s Order (Canada)
Union Juive Française pour la Paix (France)
Workman’s Circle, Boston (USA)
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Jewish Voice for Peace is a national, grassroots organization inspired by Jewish tradition to work for a just and lasting peace according to principles of human rights, equality, and international law for all the people of Israel and Palestine. JVP has over 200,000 online supporters, over 70 chapters, a youth wing, a Rabbinic Council, an Artist Council, an Academic Advisory Council, and an Advisory Board made up of leading U.S. intellectuals and artists.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I do realise that's why so many people are turned off from the whole thing. If you remember, he came into the leadership pledging to do things differently. His short-lived 'questions from Janice' thing at PMQs etc.
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Then he's like any sensible person and learning that to get to your end goal you have to take a few slight detours. The prize is power and the implementation of a better set of policies as he sees it.

That's just common sense.
 
orchard said:

Were-enormously-proud-to-stand-with-over-30-Jewish-organizations-worldwide-to-say-no-to-this-harmful-definition-of-anti-semitism-and-yes-to-human-rights-and-the-freedom-to-protest..jpg

FIRST EVER: 40 JEWISH GROUPS WORLDWIDE OPPOSE EQUATING ANTISEMITISM WITH CRITICISM OF ISRAEL
17 JULY 2018BOYCOTT, DIVESTMENT AND SANCTIONS/PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 17, 2018
Contact: Sonya E Meyerson-Knox | sonya@jvp.org | 929-290-0317
Jewish Voice for Peace proud to stand in global solidarity against harmful definition of antisemitism and with human rights and freedom to protest
New York, London, Berlin, Tel Aviv (July 17, 2018) – From South Africa to Sweden, New Zealand to Germany to Brazil, for the first time ever over thirty Jewish organizations across the globecame together in a statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel.
The statement warns of a growing trend of legislative campaigns to target organizations that support Palestinian rights, particularly the nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
“From our own histories we are all too aware of the dangers of increasingly fascistic and openly racist governments and political parties,” the global letter states. “The rise in antisemitic discourse and attacks worldwide is part of that broader trend. At times like this, it is more important than ever to distinguish between the hostility to or prejudice against Jews on the one hand and legitimate critiques of Israeli policies and system of injustice on the other.”
The United States has witnessed increasing legislative efforts to criminalize the boycott of illegal Israeli settlements and repress advocacy for Palestinian human rights by defining such acts as antisemitic, with two bills currently under discussion in US Congress. Such efforts are mirrored at the state level, where more than 25 state legislatures have considered or enacted various forms of targeting advocacy for Palestinian rights.
Of particular concern is the usage of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, intentionally worded such that it equates legitimate criticisms of Israel and advocacy for Palestinian rights with antisemitism, as a means to suppress the former.
A similar approach is being employed across Europe. In France and Germany, the bank accounts of BDS groups were closed and campaigns promoting the boycott of goods from illegal Israeli settlements were convicted of incitement to hatred. The UK has witnessed an ongoing battle about the legality of local government boycotts against Israeli settlements.
The state of Israel has waged its own campaign against advocates of BDS. In January, the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs announced a banprohibiting the leaders of 20 organizations worldwide from entering Israel, including Jewish Voice for Peace, for supporting BDS. And in 2015, the Israeli High Court upheld a law which allows individuals to sue individuals calling for a boycott of Israel or of companies profiting from illegal Israeli settlements.
“IT IS VITAL THAT JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE STAND UNITED AGAINST HARMFUL DEFINITIONS OF ANTISEMITISM AND TOGETHER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE FREEDOM TO PROTEST. WE AT JVP ARE PROUD TO HAVE INITIATED THIS HISTORIC EFFORT,”​
stated Rebecca Vilkomerson, Jewish Voice for Peace Executive Director.
Ms. Vilkomerson is available to speak with the media.
List of endorsing Jewish organizations:
Academia4equality (Israel)
Boycott from Within (Israeli citizens for BDS)
Coalition of Women for Peace (Israel)
Collectif Judéo Arabe et Citoyen pour la Palestine (France)
Dayenu: New Zealand Jews Against Occupation (New Zealand)
Een Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice) (The Netherlands)
Een Andere Joodse Stem – Another Jewish Voice (Flanders, Belgium)
European Jews for a Just Peace
Free Speech on Israel (UK)
Gate48 – critical Israelis in the Netherlands
Independent Jewish Voices (Canada)
Independent Jewish Voices (UK)
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
Italian Network of Jews Against the Occupation
Jewish Anti-Fascist Action Berlin (Germany)
Jewish Socialists’ Group (UK)
Jewish Voice for Democracy and Justice in Israel/Palestine (Switzerland)
Jewish Voice For Labour (UK)
Jewish Voice for Peace (USA)
Jewish Voice for Peace members in London (UK)
Jews Against Fascism (Australia)
Jews against the Occupation (Australia)
Jews for Justice for Palestinians (UK)
Jews for Palestinian Right of Return (USA)
Jews of Color & Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews in Solidarity w/ Palestine (USA)
Jews Say No! (USA)
JIPF – Judar för Israelisk Palestinsk Fred (Sweden)
Jüdische Stimme für gerechten Frieden im Nahost e.V. (Germany)
Junts, Associació Catalana de Jueus i Palestins (Catalonia, Spain)
Los Otros Judíos (Argentina)
Manchester Jewish Action for Palestine (UK)
Quebrando Muros – Judeus Brasileiros Pela Descolonização da Palestina (Brazil)
Scottish Jews Against Zionism
SEDQ Network- A Global Jewish Network for Justice
South African Jewish Voices for a Just Peace (South Africa)
South African Jews for a Free Palestine (South Africa)
Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique (Saint-Gilles, Belgium)
United Jewish People’s Order (Canada)
Union Juive Française pour la Paix (France)
Workman’s Circle, Boston (USA)
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Jewish Voice for Peace is a national, grassroots organization inspired by Jewish tradition to work for a just and lasting peace according to principles of human rights, equality, and international law for all the people of Israel and Palestine. JVP has over 200,000 online supporters, over 70 chapters, a youth wing, a Rabbinic Council, an Artist Council, an Academic Advisory Council, and an Advisory Board made up of leading U.S. intellectuals and artists.
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History will judge those who deal with the Israeli state and give it succour in the same way as it judged those who traded with the Afrikaner apartheid regime. They are the same repugnant racists who subjugate and immiserate a whole population and carry out a stealthy genocide.
 
davek said:
Then he's like any sensible person and learning that to get to your end goal you have to take a few slight detours. The prize is power and the implementation of a better set of policies as he sees it.

That's just common sense.
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To be fair to Corbyn he has done things differently. The issue is his followers on the left haven't and were never going too, as they are not in agreement with that approach.
 
orchard said:

Were-enormously-proud-to-stand-with-over-30-Jewish-organizations-worldwide-to-say-no-to-this-harmful-definition-of-anti-semitism-and-yes-to-human-rights-and-the-freedom-to-protest..jpg

FIRST EVER: 40 JEWISH GROUPS WORLDWIDE OPPOSE EQUATING ANTISEMITISM WITH CRITICISM OF ISRAEL
17 JULY 2018BOYCOTT, DIVESTMENT AND SANCTIONS/PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 17, 2018
Contact: Sonya E Meyerson-Knox | sonya@jvp.org | 929-290-0317
Jewish Voice for Peace proud to stand in global solidarity against harmful definition of antisemitism and with human rights and freedom to protest
New York, London, Berlin, Tel Aviv (July 17, 2018) – From South Africa to Sweden, New Zealand to Germany to Brazil, for the first time ever over thirty Jewish organizations across the globecame together in a statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel.
The statement warns of a growing trend of legislative campaigns to target organizations that support Palestinian rights, particularly the nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
“From our own histories we are all too aware of the dangers of increasingly fascistic and openly racist governments and political parties,” the global letter states. “The rise in antisemitic discourse and attacks worldwide is part of that broader trend. At times like this, it is more important than ever to distinguish between the hostility to or prejudice against Jews on the one hand and legitimate critiques of Israeli policies and system of injustice on the other.”
The United States has witnessed increasing legislative efforts to criminalize the boycott of illegal Israeli settlements and repress advocacy for Palestinian human rights by defining such acts as antisemitic, with two bills currently under discussion in US Congress. Such efforts are mirrored at the state level, where more than 25 state legislatures have considered or enacted various forms of targeting advocacy for Palestinian rights.
Of particular concern is the usage of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, intentionally worded such that it equates legitimate criticisms of Israel and advocacy for Palestinian rights with antisemitism, as a means to suppress the former.
A similar approach is being employed across Europe. In France and Germany, the bank accounts of BDS groups were closed and campaigns promoting the boycott of goods from illegal Israeli settlements were convicted of incitement to hatred. The UK has witnessed an ongoing battle about the legality of local government boycotts against Israeli settlements.
The state of Israel has waged its own campaign against advocates of BDS. In January, the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs announced a banprohibiting the leaders of 20 organizations worldwide from entering Israel, including Jewish Voice for Peace, for supporting BDS. And in 2015, the Israeli High Court upheld a law which allows individuals to sue individuals calling for a boycott of Israel or of companies profiting from illegal Israeli settlements.
“IT IS VITAL THAT JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE STAND UNITED AGAINST HARMFUL DEFINITIONS OF ANTISEMITISM AND TOGETHER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE FREEDOM TO PROTEST. WE AT JVP ARE PROUD TO HAVE INITIATED THIS HISTORIC EFFORT,”​
stated Rebecca Vilkomerson, Jewish Voice for Peace Executive Director.
Ms. Vilkomerson is available to speak with the media.
List of endorsing Jewish organizations:
Academia4equality (Israel)
Boycott from Within (Israeli citizens for BDS)
Coalition of Women for Peace (Israel)
Collectif Judéo Arabe et Citoyen pour la Palestine (France)
Dayenu: New Zealand Jews Against Occupation (New Zealand)
Een Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice) (The Netherlands)
Een Andere Joodse Stem – Another Jewish Voice (Flanders, Belgium)
European Jews for a Just Peace
Free Speech on Israel (UK)
Gate48 – critical Israelis in the Netherlands
Independent Jewish Voices (Canada)
Independent Jewish Voices (UK)
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
Italian Network of Jews Against the Occupation
Jewish Anti-Fascist Action Berlin (Germany)
Jewish Socialists’ Group (UK)
Jewish Voice for Democracy and Justice in Israel/Palestine (Switzerland)
Jewish Voice For Labour (UK)
Jewish Voice for Peace (USA)
Jewish Voice for Peace members in London (UK)
Jews Against Fascism (Australia)
Jews against the Occupation (Australia)
Jews for Justice for Palestinians (UK)
Jews for Palestinian Right of Return (USA)
Jews of Color & Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews in Solidarity w/ Palestine (USA)
Jews Say No! (USA)
JIPF – Judar för Israelisk Palestinsk Fred (Sweden)
Jüdische Stimme für gerechten Frieden im Nahost e.V. (Germany)
Junts, Associació Catalana de Jueus i Palestins (Catalonia, Spain)
Los Otros Judíos (Argentina)
Manchester Jewish Action for Palestine (UK)
Quebrando Muros – Judeus Brasileiros Pela Descolonização da Palestina (Brazil)
Scottish Jews Against Zionism
SEDQ Network- A Global Jewish Network for Justice
South African Jewish Voices for a Just Peace (South Africa)
South African Jews for a Free Palestine (South Africa)
Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique (Saint-Gilles, Belgium)
United Jewish People’s Order (Canada)
Union Juive Française pour la Paix (France)
Workman’s Circle, Boston (USA)
###

Jewish Voice for Peace is a national, grassroots organization inspired by Jewish tradition to work for a just and lasting peace according to principles of human rights, equality, and international law for all the people of Israel and Palestine. JVP has over 200,000 online supporters, over 70 chapters, a youth wing, a Rabbinic Council, an Artist Council, an Academic Advisory Council, and an Advisory Board made up of leading U.S. intellectuals and artists.
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The law doesn't make any sense. Jewish people held as anti-semitic while leaders like Orban (who is openly anti-semitic) or some of trumps entourage who propagate racist conspiracy theories about Jewish people are welcomed to the said state who it is deemed anti-semitic to criticise. Work that out.
 
davek said:
Nope. They are a small section of the LP who have their muck amplified through the BBC and the rest of the pro neo-liberal media.
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So how many Labour MPs tried the coo v Corbyn remind me ....... at one time he could not form a cabinet.....
OK he did oksih in a GE picking up Ukip Voters but could not win the election v a government in crisis who led a pathetic campaign - I voted for no one - if a decent Labour Leader came along then I would start voting Labour again....
We have a government in chaos and he could not land a blow at PM qt on Wednesday - he can't think on his feet imo the sign of a good leader - parliment is in turmoil atm anyway.....
can't wait for the football to start tbh......
 
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