2020/21 Jordan Pickford

Arteta10

Player Valuation: £10m
Agree with all of that except the West Ham goal. Hit first time from the inside left position through a crowded area and swerving away from him into the far corner.

I get that but look at his positioning on it, he’s right next to the post, and the ball went nowhere near the other corner, if he’s closer to being in the middle of the goal he would have saved it.

Then again I’m not a goalkeeping coach like but he looked way out of position to me
 

Joey66

Player Valuation: £70m
I get that but look at his positioning on it, he’s right next to the post, and the ball went nowhere near the other corner, if he’s closer to being in the middle of the goal he would have saved it.

Then again I’m not a goalkeeping coach like but he looked way out of position to me
His confidence is shot positional senses as you point out gone, cannot master his 6 yard box never mind all the box ....... cannot come off his line even to punch the ball, never mid catch the ball.....
The basics of keeping completely shot .......Even his kicking which was so accurate shot at ....tbh needs a rest .......he will cost us in this current form v the big teams ......
 

Jamo Martinez

Player Valuation: £70m
I get that but look at his positioning on it, he’s right next to the post, and the ball went nowhere near the other corner, if he’s closer to being in the middle of the goal he would have saved it.

Then again I’m not a goalkeeping coach like but he looked way out of position to me
The ball was out on the left wing so he was on the post. it's played into the inside left channel and hit first time with 5 or 6 players unsighting him. Seems a bit harsh to call him out for that goal. Especially considering there are enough definite mistakes to criticise him about
 

Rob17896

Player Valuation: £35m
His confidence is shot positional senses as you point out gone, cannot master his 6 yard box never mind all the box ....... cannot come off his line even to punch the ball, never mid catch the ball.....
The basics of keeping completely shot .......Even his kicking which was so accurate shot at ....tbh needs a rest .......he will cost us in this current form v the big teams ......[QUOTE="Joey66, post: 8178528,

By big teams I think you mean our peers
 

roy vernon

Player Valuation: £10m
All keepers have bad spells and they all make mistakes, the better keepers are the ones who learn from these mistakes and who do not get rattled by them.

Even Big Nev and Schmiecel and the like had poor games, but, they put them behind themselves and moved on. Unfortunately I don’t think Pickford is strong enough mentally to do this. His other problem, of course, is that he is just not big enough for today’s game. A keeper under 6’2” or so has to be exceptional to succeed in today’s game.
 

Marius57

Player Valuation: £10m
no idea mate . Do they?

You never hear any talk of it. I suppose a lot of it is down to the manager. You'd only need to bring in a specialist if you had a specific problem.

I'd assume so, they have everything else available to them. The mental side of it is so important it would be strange for then not to in my opinion.

However, just had a quick google and it appears to.not be very prevalent and dependant on the managers etc.
 

ihcakoma

Player Valuation: £225k
I dont get this whole thing of needing a good back up to put pressure on pickford, its complete rubbish.
No top keeper has ever been under pressure for their position and never needed to be.
How many clubs have 2 keepers competing for the spot? Its never a fair fight anyway, one is always worth more or younger or on more wages.
As with this situation, pickford is on huge wages, is more saleable so he will keep his place no matter how many times he messed up.
If the pressure of going into your dressing room with your team mates and looking them in the eye after messing up isn't enough motivation then you shouldn't be in a team game, go play marbles...
Pickford has lost it, he is finished...
Olsen for the Derby please, he seriously couldn't be any worse
 

Simon Buttle

Player Valuation: £20m
no idea mate . Do they?

You never hear any talk of it. I suppose a lot of it is down to the manager. You'd only need to bring in a specialist if you had a specific problem.
Unless you are Jose who is a fully qualified sports psychologist (hence the mad mind games all the time) it tends to come under the sports science umbrella so it will be all in with that. Id be very surprised if we did'nt have one tbh.

Just looked and it's some guy called Lewis Charnock who also works at JMU
 

hayatcokgarip

Player Valuation: £40m
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Drico

Player Valuation: £5m
I dont get this whole thing of needing a good back up to put pressure on pickford, its complete rubbish.
No top keeper has ever been under pressure for their position and never needed to be.
How many clubs have 2 keepers competing for the spot?
I tend to agree with this comment. As a former amateur keeper myself, I would have no interest in "competing" for the solitary position. You either make me your number one or I'll get a game elsewhere. It's not that I was petulant or arrogant - it's that goalkeeper is a unique position where you are trusted or you are not. EVERY goalkeeper will make mistakes that cost goals. It is inevitable. There is no safety net for the keeper, unlike pretty much every other position on the pitch. Similarly, there is no other position to play the keeper who loses out in the "competition". He cannot be moved to full back, into midfield, or up front like an outfield player can.

The number 2 is purely back-up in case of injury. He accepts his role as the subservient replacement. Think Raymond van der Gouw. The number 1 must have complete faith from his manager and team-mates, because, yes, he will blunder. But if he's good enough, these mistakes will be accepted as hazards of the job by grateful team-mates. Think Peter Schmeichel. I've never seen a keeper as vaunted as he was make as many crass blunders as he did - but that was what he was and they were accepted as the price worth paying for his undoubted brilliance.

Jordan Pickford won't really benefit from a "competition". He's either good enough or he isn't. Right now, he's fallen into that nether region where we cannot honestly give a clear answer to that question. I still think he's got the talent. I've seen enough to know a good keeper when I see one - and he has all the attributes...except maturity. That can be gained with time and application. The worry is he will blunder in a critical match, like the upcoming derby, and will enter a spiral of ridicule and self-doubt which will make his status untenable. I know from experience that keepers build an aura. Make a sequence of great saves and forwards fear you while your team mates grow in confidence as you give them that precious commodity of security. You, literally, "save" your team and they love you for it. I have played against some super amateur strikers in my time and if I could make a couple of really good saves against them, they would then start "accounting" for my presence by aiming at the narrowest angle inside the post when they went through one-on-one. To avoid me, they would aim for that ever-narrowing target. Much of the time that would be enough for them to miss. The ball would hit the post or go wide. If they were unconcerned by me, they would score simply by slotting into a wider target. Basically, by making a few big saves, forwards consider the keeper "good" and reduce their own shooting options. That's an aura. I'd save none of those shots - but they'd go wide...

By the same token, when a keeper blunders, he is a pariah, undermining everything everyone is trying to achieve.

Pickford has a huge derby coming up. It could be career defining. This is a huge concern. I can't say right now if he will make it, but I still think he can. He just needs to make sure his next blunder is not in the derby...
 
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