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Mate, since i joined GOT i`ve been accused of being a racist right-wing pseudo-intellectual non-science believing Kopite and now a "trans hater" all of which are untrue. I `m actually a mild mannered janitor who loves Everton and all Gods creatures.
If you knew any truths as to how Marxism is shaping western cultures today then you would know why i`m opposed to it in all its forms. The LGBT+ groups are being used to further this Marxist agenda and if you believe that anyone with XY chromosomes can become female then go ahead knock yourself out but don`t expect me to go along with it as i believe the science, as in having XX chromosomes means you are female.
If any hairy bollocked Geordies reckon that by putting on a dress it makes them a woman then that`s their business. I`m ok with that as long as they don`t try to compete in sports against my daughters, insist on reading them stories or use their changing rooms.

Marx only wrote about economics. And most tedious it was too.


And as if you have kids.
 
Marx was a pure phoney who was dishonest to the core.

In what was was he a phoney, and in what way dishonest?

And more importantly, at what point did he argue that biological sex wasnt a material reality? If you can point me to this work, I'll happily consult and come back to you.

Janice Raymond, Andrea Dworkin, left wing writers have also been writing about this for decades, warning of its dangerous basis, are they also part of this imaginary conspiracy?

Or are right wing news stations, like GB News and their politics editor Tom Harwood, who propagates the conspiratorial nonsense included in this?

Just to get an idea of where we stand like.
 
Marx only wrote about economics. And most tedious it was too.


And as if you have kids.

Yes. I'm unaware of Marx ever writing about this.

And the main/only Marxian government did none of the above.

Right wing, capitalist governments implement it though. But for the hard of learning its answered by some gibberish of Marx being a phoney or whatever.
 
Yes. I'm unaware of Marx ever writing about this.

And the main/only Marxian government did none of the above.

Right wing, capitalist governments implement it though. But for the hard of learning its answered by some gibberish of Marx being a phoney or whatever.

As a pretentious young man I read most of Marx's original works, some commentaries and Francis Ween's decent biography. I don't think the concept of gender was mentioned once. Except the gender of the cleaning ladies the old goat couldn't keep his hands off.
 
As a pretentious young man I read most of Marx's original works, some commentaries and Francis Ween's decent biography. I don't think the concept of gender was mentioned once. Except the gender of the cleaning ladies the old goat couldn't keep his hands off.

Yes, yes and unfortunately yes.

Engels talks about the construction of gender a bit (in a roundabout way). Both noted the reality of biological sex.

He is confusing Marx with Foucault and latterly Butler. If you want pretentious, academic nonsense, them 2 are at the top of any list.
 
Right, first thing first, you are not mild-mannered. There are countless posts in the culture wars thread proving this.

1/ Secondly, what is highlighted in bold is literally transphobic.

Thirdly, why are you speaking about Marxism? It has absolutely nothing to do with the trans debate whatsoever, nor does it have anything to do with what you are saying. 2/ Marxism is a socio-economic system, you can’t just say “I don’t like political correctness, because it’s all Marxism as that is patently untrue. Also if Marxism and leftism is so powerful; why did Trump win in 2016, then push Biden close on 2020? why did Bolsanaro get elected? why have we had tories for 12 odd years? and 3/why have populist politics became so popular globally?

Fourthly, what you have stated about chromosomes is not necessarily true and a massive oversimplification of the real science.
you forgot to highlight the bit about- "i`m ok with Geordie geezers wearing dresses as long as they don`t impinge on female only areas"
2/ Marx` ideas have been tried and they have failed miserably, they have been expanded on as "the economic principals becoming an exercise in moral philosophy".
3/ Communism etc didn`t gain any ground in 1930s simply because the western working classes didn`t fall for it. The rise in populism recently is a push-back against the socialism that is seen as the thin end of the wedge to a totalitarian system.

All your questions - why was Trump elected, Bolsanaro etc etc - i`ll answer you with a question- Have you ever heard of fifth columnists?
 
you forgot to highlight the bit about- "i`m ok with Geordie geezers wearing dresses as long as they don`t impinge on female only areas"
2/ Marx` ideas have been tried and they have failed miserably, they have been expanded on as "the economic principals becoming an exercise in moral philosophy".
3/ Communism etc didn`t gain any ground in 1930s simply because the western working classes didn`t fall for it. The rise in populism recently is a push-back against the socialism that is seen as the thin end of the wedge to a totalitarian system.

All your questions - why was Trump elected, Bolsanaro etc etc - i`ll answer you with a question- Have you ever heard of fifth columnists?
Calling trans women “hairy bollocked geordies” is incredibly transphobic - how on earth can you not see that?

Where, precisely, have Marx’s ideas been tried in good faith? Not Cuba, not the Soviet Union, not China, not Venezuela, and not Vietnam so don’t even try any of those chestnuts.

Yet again I ask - precisely what does Marx have to do with Jordan Peterson and you both being transphobic, which is what I called you out for?
 
Calling trans women “hairy bollocked geordies” is incredibly transphobic - how on earth can you not see that?

1/Where, precisely, have Marx’s ideas been tried in good faith? Not Cuba, not the Soviet Union, not China, not Venezuela, and not Vietnam so don’t even try any of those chestnuts.

Yet again I ask - precisely what does Marx have to do with Jordan Peterson and you both being transphobic, which is what I called you out for?
You`re literally changing history right in front of my eyes.
I said "someone wearing a dress doesn`t make them a woman" "you are female if you have XX chromosomes"
You are very selective with the truth.
Gas-lighting is a well used tactic of the Leftist brigade as is twisting words and ideas.
1/ That old chestnut! Call it what you like, Socialist -Lefty - Communism- Marxist- Stalinism, whatever umbrella term you want to use -these ideologies have murdered 100 million people in the last century, they are Totalitarian by nature.
 
You`re literally changing history right in front of my eyes.
I said "someone wearing a dress doesn`t make them a woman" "you are female if you have XX chromosomes"
You are very selective with the truth.
Gas-lighting is a well used tactic of the Leftist brigade as is twisting words and ideas.
1/ That old chestnut! Call it what you like, Socialist -Lefty - Communism- Marxist- Stalinism, whatever umbrella term you want to use -these ideologies have murdered 100 million people in the last century, they are Totalitarian by nature.
Did you, or did you not describe trans women as hairy bollocked geordies?

The chromosome thing is also completely untrue, you do realise that leading biologists have stated that it is not a binary subject, right? Additionally intersex people who are born with both male and female reproductive organs literally exist.

Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Stalinism, Maoism, Leninism, and Leftism are all literally different things though. That’s like saying conservatism, libertarianism and fascism are identical which isn’t true either.

Also the thing about people being murdered is a weird one. I’m sure capitalism, fascism, and conservatism have never caused the deaths of anyone either, have they?

Finally your understanding of the term “gaslighting” isn’t correct. The majority of what you posted about trans people was pretty bigoted, I just highlighted the most blatantly offensive part.
 
Marx` ideas have been tried and they have failed miserably,
Not in the way he ever intended.

Get so many experts on Marxism these days in what is an extremely difficult subject to even slightly comprehend and although it’s been a while since I read any, I can’t remember the chapter on trans rights.

What ever your opinion though, the first half of the Communist Manifesto is an excellent critique of the capitalist mode of production.
 
Not in the way he ever intended.

Get so many experts on Marxism these days in what is an extremely difficult subject to even slightly comprehend and although it’s been a while since I read any, I can’t remember the chapter on trans rights.

What ever your opinion though, the first half of the Communist Manifesto is an excellent critique of the capitalist mode of production.
That’s probably the part I resonate most with, it’s crazy how his criticisms have by and large became even more on-the-money as time has passed. A lot of his ideals of how his society would work is where it falls down as it’s very utopian, but not very workable. That said, looking at the state of late-stage capitalism I can’t see how it could possibly be worse
 
Calling trans women “hairy bollocked geordies” is incredibly transphobic - how on earth can you not see that?

Where, precisely, have Marx’s ideas been tried in good faith? Not Cuba, not the Soviet Union, not China, not Venezuela, and not Vietnam so don’t even try any of those chestnuts.

Yet again I ask - precisely what does Marx have to do with Jordan Peterson and you both being transphobic, which is what I called you out for?

Not in the way he ever intended.

Get so many experts on Marxism these days in what is an extremely difficult subject to even slightly comprehend and although it’s been a while since I read any, I can’t remember the chapter on trans rights.

What ever your opinion though, the first half of the Communist Manifesto is an excellent critique of the capitalist mode of production.
My belief is that it has in fact been tried in good faith, but the inherent problem with Marxism/Communism is that it will always lead to a ruthless consolidation of power, which in turn leads to a much more corrupt and inefficient society. Much the same way it is easier in a dictatorship for the leader to wield power as he see's fit than it is for an elected leader of a democratic state with checks and balances.

People like Xi and Putin hold elections we all basically know are rigged and they have much more control over their populace than even the worst leaders (Johnson and now Truss) this country has ever seen could possible have

While I completely agree that capitalism is by no means perfect on the whole I would much rather live in the UK/USA than China/Russia.
 
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