Current Affairs John McCain - hero or Republican

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You don’t happen to have any links to that do you? Most of what I’ve been able to find seems to paint it as a Kerry/McCain led thing like this
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-bridged-gap-help-heal-wounds-vietnam-n904006
but, as has been mentioned earlier, the media did tend to give McCain pretty favourable coverage and I’d like to see an alternate take on the period.

Have to admit that if I’d gone through what he did in Hanoi Hilton I doubt I would have been able to move past it to support such legislation so I find it an interesting topic, especially as it appears to contrast so much with his other foreign policy actions.

Alas, I'm not sure there are many good news-article style overviews. And it will be some time (if ever) before access to official sources is sufficient to allow a proper history of rapprochement. There are some Congressional and think-tank type reports I could suggest, if you're really interested.

Anyhow, the ball really got rolling toward the end of the Reagan administration, spurred by shifting attitudes among US veterans (there was actually considerable pro-rapprochement sentiment among veterans' communities), and lobbying by Chamber of Commerce and similar-type groups. The active military hierarchy - especially JCS Chair John Vessey - was also pushing for normalization, long before elected officials dared speak up. Reagan started the first MIA/POW "fact-finding" missions (part of the difficulty was overcoming proto-Alex Joneses who insisted (and still insist!) that there were Americans still held in secret prisons - these are the people responsible for enforcing the ubiquitous MIA/POW flag on US government offices). And things really picked up under Bush I (though they hit a snag here when Bush demanded that Vietnam "apologise" for the war). I'm certain that behind the scenes, James Baker played at least as important a role as McCain, and far earlier, though emphasizing McCain, Peterson, Kerry and Kerrey obviously made for shrewd optics. Without diminishing his impact, McCain was also just one of many prominent Republican Senators working to normalize relations - Arlen Spector, Mark Hatfield, Don Nickels, Robert Bennett, Alan Simpson and others were all involved, along with many others from the House. I'm sure you could find all this on Nexus, if you really wanted to. And it was only after the newly Republican-dominated Congress lifted the MIA/POW requirements in 1994 that Clinton felt he could proceed.

It's also worth noting that Vietnam was pushing for normalization as early as the late 1970s (led by men whose personal suffering was at least as severe as McCain's; Võ Văn Kiệt, probably the most important Vietnamese reformer, lost his entire family to an American rocket attack, for example). And they were actually on the verge of a deal with Brzezinski. But things fell apart over Cambodia - the Khmer Rouge had started carrying out cross-border attacks, killing literally thousands of Vietnamese civilians on Vietnamese territory (which, obviously, no state could ever permit). Vietnam was desperate to avoid a war, and showed remarkable restraint; they crossed the border, drove their tanks to the outskirts of Phnom Penh, and surrounded the city - but then departed with an ultimatum that the border raids stop then and there. But of course the KR resumed immediately, murdering an entire village of 3,000 in a single encounter. Only then did Vietnam launch a lasting invasion - and it is this and this alone which brought an end to the Cambodian genocide. Curious how everybody in the West knows about the Khmer Rouge, yet nobody knows what stopped them ; )

Naturally the United States sprang to the defence of the Khmer Rouge, insisting that they be recognised as the legitimate government of Cambodia, including at the United Nations, and (almost certainly) funneling covert weapons and supplies to KR outposts in Thailand. It will be interesting to see, if and when the documents ever emerge, how involved McCain was in all this.
 
Alas, I'm not sure there are many good news-article style overviews. And it will be some time (if ever) before access to official sources is sufficient to allow a proper history of rapprochement. There are some Congressional and think-tank type reports I could suggest, if you're really interested.

Anyhow, the ball really got rolling toward the end of the Reagan administration, spurred by shifting attitudes among US veterans (there was actually considerable pro-rapprochement sentiment among veterans' communities), and lobbying by Chamber of Commerce and similar-type groups. The active military hierarchy - especially JCS Chair John Vessey - was also pushing for normalization, long before elected officials dared speak up. Reagan started the first MIA/POW "fact-finding" missions (part of the difficulty was overcoming proto-Alex Joneses who insisted (and still insist!) that there were Americans still held in secret prisons - these are the people responsible for enforcing the ubiquitous MIA/POW flag on US government offices). And things really picked up under Bush I (though they hit a snag here when Bush demanded that Vietnam "apologise" for the war). I'm certain that behind the scenes, James Baker played at least as important a role as McCain, and far earlier, though emphasizing McCain, Peterson, Kerry and Kerrey obviously made for shrewd optics. Without diminishing his impact, McCain was also just one of many prominent Republican Senators working to normalize relations - Arlen Spector, Mark Hatfield, Don Nickels, Robert Bennett, Alan Simpson and others were all involved, along with many others from the House. I'm sure you could find all this on Nexus, if you really wanted to. And it was only after the newly Republican-dominated Congress lifted the MIA/POW requirements in 1994 that Clinton felt he could proceed.

It's also worth noting that Vietnam was pushing for normalization as early as the late 1970s (led by men whose personal suffering was at least as severe as McCain's; Võ Văn Kiệt, probably the most important Vietnamese reformer, lost his entire family to an American rocket attack, for example). And they were actually on the verge of a deal with Brzezinski. But things fell apart over Cambodia - the Khmer Rouge had started carrying out cross-border attacks, killing literally thousands of Vietnamese civilians on Vietnamese territory (which, obviously, no state could ever permit). Vietnam was desperate to avoid a war, and showed remarkable restraint; they crossed the border, drove their tanks to the outskirts of Phnom Penh, and surrounded the city - but then departed with an ultimatum that the border raids stop then and there. But of course the KR resumed immediately, murdering an entire village of 3,000 in a single encounter. Only then did Vietnam launch a lasting invasion - and it is this and this alone which brought an end to the Cambodian genocide. Curious how everybody in the West knows about the Khmer Rouge, yet nobody knows what stopped them ; )

Naturally the United States sprang to the defence of the Khmer Rouge, insisting that they be recognised as the legitimate government of Cambodia, including at the United Nations, and (almost certainly) funneling covert weapons and supplies to KR outposts in Thailand. It will be interesting to see, if and when the documents ever emerge, how involved McCain was in all this.
Thanks for the background, had heard very little of that and, as you predicted, never knew what stopped the Khmer Rouge!
 
Alas, I'm not sure there are many good news-article style overviews. And it will be some time (if ever) before access to official sources is sufficient to allow a proper history of rapprochement. There are some Congressional and think-tank type reports I could suggest, if you're really interested.

Anyhow, the ball really got rolling toward the end of the Reagan administration, spurred by shifting attitudes among US veterans (there was actually considerable pro-rapprochement sentiment among veterans' communities), and lobbying by Chamber of Commerce and similar-type groups. The active military hierarchy - especially JCS Chair John Vessey - was also pushing for normalization, long before elected officials dared speak up. Reagan started the first MIA/POW "fact-finding" missions (part of the difficulty was overcoming proto-Alex Joneses who insisted (and still insist!) that there were Americans still held in secret prisons - these are the people responsible for enforcing the ubiquitous MIA/POW flag on US government offices). And things really picked up under Bush I (though they hit a snag here when Bush demanded that Vietnam "apologise" for the war). I'm certain that behind the scenes, James Baker played at least as important a role as McCain, and far earlier, though emphasizing McCain, Peterson, Kerry and Kerrey obviously made for shrewd optics. Without diminishing his impact, McCain was also just one of many prominent Republican Senators working to normalize relations - Arlen Spector, Mark Hatfield, Don Nickels, Robert Bennett, Alan Simpson and others were all involved, along with many others from the House. I'm sure you could find all this on Nexus, if you really wanted to. And it was only after the newly Republican-dominated Congress lifted the MIA/POW requirements in 1994 that Clinton felt he could proceed.

It's also worth noting that Vietnam was pushing for normalization as early as the late 1970s (led by men whose personal suffering was at least as severe as McCain's; Võ Văn Kiệt, probably the most important Vietnamese reformer, lost his entire family to an American rocket attack, for example). And they were actually on the verge of a deal with Brzezinski. But things fell apart over Cambodia - the Khmer Rouge had started carrying out cross-border attacks, killing literally thousands of Vietnamese civilians on Vietnamese territory (which, obviously, no state could ever permit). Vietnam was desperate to avoid a war, and showed remarkable restraint; they crossed the border, drove their tanks to the outskirts of Phnom Penh, and surrounded the city - but then departed with an ultimatum that the border raids stop then and there. But of course the KR resumed immediately, murdering an entire village of 3,000 in a single encounter. Only then did Vietnam launch a lasting invasion - and it is this and this alone which brought an end to the Cambodian genocide. Curious how everybody in the West knows about the Khmer Rouge, yet nobody knows what stopped them ; )

Naturally the United States sprang to the defence of the Khmer Rouge, insisting that they be recognised as the legitimate government of Cambodia, including at the United Nations, and (almost certainly) funneling covert weapons and supplies to KR outposts in Thailand. It will be interesting to see, if and when the documents ever emerge, how involved McCain was in all this.

I visited s21 and the killing fields about 10 years ago. Absolutely shocking stuff. I had read about the US vote in the UN but it seems a stretch to insinuate that McCain propped up such an evil communist dictatorship.
 
I visited s21 and the killing fields about 10 years ago. Absolutely shocking stuff. I had read about the US vote in the UN but it seems a stretch to insinuate that McCain propped up such an evil communist dictatorship.

I am speculating somewhat, but it wouldn't be at all surprising. It was the mainstream position throughout the 1980s. The Tories under Thatcher also followed suit. Recognition of the Khmer Rouge enjoyed wide bipartisan support - keep in mind that Vietnam was then supplied by the Soviet Union (the re-branded Evil Empire), and Pol Pot was supplied by China under Deng Xiaoping, America's newly minted ally (fresh from a 1979 visit to Washington where he'd asked permission to "bleed Vietnam white" via an ultimately disastrous crossborder invasion). "We've never been at war with Eastasia" etc etc.

The whole thing was for the most part lazily understood in the United States as no more than a Cold War proxy clash. I would have to go back and look through McCain's voting record, and, ideally, personal papers should they ever be made public to be more certain. But diplomatic and covert support for the Khmer Rouge was the official US position at this time, and entirely consistent with McCain's record then and since.
 
I think he followed, and led, his party when he thought they were right. And when he thought his party was wrong, he would break ranks quickly and loudly.

We can debate if HE was right/wrong on issues to the end of time, but I believe he followed his convictions to what was best, regardless of what his party thought.

so which part doesn't also describe Trump?

; )
 
My country is significantly affected from your country's foreign policy yet you appear to wish to deny me the right to have a voice on it.

Don't you accept that one doesn't have to live in USA to be able to criticise the huge problems it causes in the world? McCain was part of that damaging ethos.‎

Your view is the kind of famously-arrogant americanism we normally don't read here as almost all other US blues have fair liberal values.

You are welcome to your distant view as much as I am welcome to my cringes everytime you pair the words 'immigrant' and 'crisis' together from Germany just like right wing media would have you believe here in America, it's not. We are almost 100% immigrants and very close to that number citizens.

Your 'crisis' to me looks like a load of fear and change aversion. We have been struggling with the latter since around 1776.
 
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You are welcome to your distant view as much as I am welcome to my cringes everytime you pair the words 'immigrant' and 'crisis' together from Germany just like right wing media would have you believe here in America, it's not. We are almost 100% immigrants and very close to that number citizens.

Your 'crisis' to me looks like a load of fear and change aversion. We have been struggling with the latter since around 1776.

Weird post. Based on that you have zero clue about the subject and have generally no comprehension of the difference between steady migrations over hundreds of years and sudden influx of millions of cultural-opposites.


Fact: US foreign policy is a main factor why Germany has received millions of refugee-applicants these last few years. Such a situation can accurately be called a crisis. McCain was a supporter of those crisis-causing policies.

Opinion: US knows that by having policies which cause strife to as many other countries as possible they maintain their 'superpower' status, as the others have too much to deal with to catch up.

It's a bad cult ("we're the greatest country in the world!"), a cult which McCain supported. Jimmy Carter and arguably Donald Trump are the only Presidents of the last 40 years who were/are less interested in pushing this dangerous cult via foreign conflicts (Trump's war of words is not the same thing as actual warmongering).

Maybe that's even the real reason why McCain didn't like Trump.
 
Voted against Civil liberties and establishing MLK day, called Vietnamese by offenses slang term (granted it was directed primarily toward his captors specifically, but like the n-word you just don't say it). Was against removing confederate flag from SC capitol (he did apologize for this later). Then again, he was supportive of Native Americans.

Was against same sex marriage - not racist, but bigoted.

Even that video that is floating around - the "rebuke" of the lady that called Obama an Arab. His reply is a little...off. He replies no ma'am. He is a good decent family man or something like that. The off-the-cuff reply definitely suggests he doesn't have a good opinion of Arabs or Muslims as he defended Obama as not being Arab. He didn't rebuke the idea that being Arab (implied Muslim) is bad. He defended a black man by throwing Muslims under the bus.

Obviously he wasn't even remotely on the level of Trump and white supremacists hence my use of tendencies; could argue he was a product of his time ...and lack of caring about being politically correct (see his racists jokes).

I have great respect for him, especially as he openly admitted (some of) his errors and when he didn't live up to his own ideals, but some things about him trouble me. I do wonder how much of what I feel now is due to the huge contrast to Trump and other prominent Republicans he represents.

I'm still holding Palin against McCain though. I'm never giving up that bitterness.
Too be fair he did a lot for relations between Vietnam and the USA.
 
This article is better still:

The John McCain Phenomenon
https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-mccain-phenomenon-blanchfield
The political establishment needed a war-hero fetish object—and so it invented one

Some excerpts:
"As a politician, the designation far and away most frequently associated with John McCain—and cherished by his supporters—is “maverick.” For a senator from a Western state, the name is apt, at least in connotation. The term “maverick,” after all, hails originally from Old West cattle herding, and is used to refer to calves that bear no clear brand indicating who owns them. As a shorthand for McCain’s supposedly self-directed, iconoclastic political proclivities, however, “maverick” is something of a stretch. An un-jaundiced view of McCain’s record of votes and advocacy reveals something else: the McCain brand of brandlessness was, at the end of the day, really just a slick repackaging of a very familiar product.

To be sure, there were issues on which McCain staked out territory that put him, at least rhetorically, at odds with his party, and for which he paid a certain price. His support for the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, a bill he put forward in 2005 in partnership with Democrat Ted Kennedy, is the classic (and singular) example. The bill’s plan to establish a guest worker program and path to citizenship led many Republicans to denounce McCain for supporting “amnesty”—an accusation frequently hurled at him by rivals for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination. But this legislation, like its two successor bills, ultimately came to nothing, and sits uneasily alongside McCain’s other stances on the broader issue of immigration. Yes, McCain coauthored that bill, and, yes, towards the end of his life, he condemned Donald Trump’s pardon of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. But McCain also supported Arizona’s notorious SB 1070 “Papers Please” legislation, which gave Arizona police broad latitude to detain anyone they suspected of dubious immigration status (read: looking Latino). And his sudden expression of support for that bill—mere hours before it came to a vote—appears to have had a lot to do with the prospect of being primaried by a fiercely anti-immigration Tea Party Congressman, J.D. Hayworth.

To hear his boosters tell it, the watchword of the McCain brand was his constancy, his dogged commitment to principles regardless of the political pressures of the moment. But in truth, with immigration as with practically everything else, McCain’s positions, which started on the right, did move, shifting ever further right, following his party. Indeed, the only real sense in which he could be viewed as a “moderate” or to have remained constant was thanks to a kind of parallax effect, whereby his party moved faster and harder to the right than he did. Early on, he disdained tax cuts and emphasized deficit reduction; later, he called for tax cuts and dismissed deficit worries. As late as 1999 he pined for a world where Roe v. Wade would be made “irrelevant”; later, he called for its repeal, supported the idea of a constitutional amendment banning abortion, and entertained talk about prosecuting doctors who performed abortions. On some matters, like his vote against making Martin Luther King Jr. Day a federal holiday, or his remarks on states’ rights and government displays of the Confederate flag, McCain would later be unequivocal that his position had since changed, and his candor in those disclosures would indeed surpass that of politicians more squeamish about the optics of “flip-flopping.” But for the most part, when it came to the constantly rightward drift of both his expressed principles and Senate voting record, he and his advocates were silent; McCain, the line went, was above such recalibrations, his true beliefs always remaining unchanged.

Above all, the classic McCain move was to loudly denounce some new development as a betrayal of our lofty national ideals or a sign of how far our country had fallen—and then to quietly support it. In 2007, he vowed to close Guantanamo, and to transfer its detainees to detention stateside and expedite “judicial proceedings”; six months later, he voted against restoring their rights to habeas corpus. In the last months of his public life, McCain’s jeremiads against President Donald Trump received both attention and praise, as with his condemnation of Trump’s proposal to rescind DACA; less noted was the fact that McCain had voted against the Dream Act in 2010, approved practically every single one of Trump’s cabinet appointees, and cast votes in support of administration initiatives 83 percent of the time. One by one, McCain’s supposedly brave proclamations were undone mere days or even hours later by McCain himself. Press and pundits would reliably show up and laud his moralizing, which made for good copy; his subsequent party-line conformism would disappear into the archives of the Senate roll call.

But there was one issue on which McCain’s personal brand never compromised, and toward which his record of support remained as fixed as though it were a pole-star: war. His opposition to a few token military entanglements (Beirut in 1983, Somalia in 1993) was the exception that underscored the rule: McCain’s enthusiasm for the global American military project was effectively limitless.

From the Nicaraguan Contras to the Free Syrian Army, when McCain saw militants who could advance U.S. interests abroad, he strenuously lobbied to arm them. “I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically, elected governments,” he proclaimed throughout the 2008 primaries. Though he would later attempt to argue those words also indicated persuasion through “values and principles” and not just weapons and violence, this was, at best, a dubious semantic dodge. From the start of McCain’s career to its end, a clear through-line seamlessly stretches from his support for the proxy wars of Cold War Containment, the adventurism of “rogue state rollback,” and more recently, his approval of massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia to combat “Iranian conduct in Yemen.”

Where proxies couldn’t do the job, McCain was not shy about committing American soldiers. A resolute cheerleader for the War on Terror in general and the invasion of Iraq in particular, he centered his 2008 presidential campaign on the success of the so-called surge—an increased deployment of some thirty thousand American troops to occupied Iraq. But as rigorous analysts such as Andrew Bacevich have documented, the surge did not so much produce a new diminution in violence as it coincided with, and prolonged, one that had already begun. Moreover, it was painfully temporary, lasting only long enough for the Bush administration to proclaim victory, General David Petraeus to advance his career, and growing anti-war sentiment to die down—which were, quite plainly in retrospect, the primary objectives of the surge in the first place. But McCain, who had supported the surge from the start, made it the centerpiece of his “No Surrender” primary tour, framing the issue as a matter of support for the troops and faith in the global American military enterprise as such. “We are the makers of history, not its victims,” he proclaimed when he clinched the Republican nomination, and then proceeded to make the surge the centerpiece issue of his campaign against Obama. For voters to whom the question of the value of the surge was less important than the fact of the war in the first place, this tactic was unpersuasive. And so too was McCain’s wildly expansive visions of how long American intervention in Iraq might take: at one point, he even told the New Yorker that, if circumstances were right, he’d support American troops in Iraq for another hundred years. Nor was McCain’s sense of America’s sphere of military interest fixated on the Middle East. His bellicose remarks raised red flags in Moscow and Beijing, and only months before his death, and one month after “taking exception” with Trump’s inflammatory language about North Korea, McCain warned that America should “make sure that Kim Jong Un knows that if he acts in an aggressive fashion, the price will be extinction.” Media praise of McCain as a warrior-turned-diplomat of abundant civility and august gravitas sits uneasily alongside his not-infrequent expressions of callousness and ghoulish, even bloodthirsty glee. McCain, after all, was the former bomber pilot who thought it droll to sing “Bomb Iran” to the tune of a Beach Boys classic, and who sneeringly called anti-war protesters “low-life scum” while threatening them with arrest.

It is tempting in this moment to contrast John McCain to our present, less august leaders, to mourn him as the last of his kind, the final remnant of a more dignified way of doing politics that has now decisively passed on. Among other things, this attitude not only muddies his actual track record, it also sidesteps the fact that John McCain did not fade away, leaving politics to evolve and decay in his withdrawal: McCain exercised his power to the very end, from the public announcement of his brain cancer in July of 2017 to his death on August 25. But more important, casting McCain as a symbol of a bygone age obscures how much responsibility McCain bears for the state of affairs he leaves behind. At virtually every interval, he cosigned the reflexive recourse to the projection of global force that has led America to have active-duty troops stationed in some 170 countries worldwide. And even as he and his apologists seek to distance him from the president whose agenda he overwhelmingly voted to enact, it bears remembering that McCain cannot easily be extricated from the political conditions that made Trump possible in the first place. When his campaign against Obama grew particularly grim in 2008, McCain was not above making ugly insinuations about Obama’s identity and motives, asking “Who is the real Barack Obama?” and “What does he plan for America?” When people finally began answering McCain’s question (“He’s an Arab!” one elderly woman in Minnesota told him, on camera) he tried to reel things in, but it was too little, too awkward, and too late. But this flirtation with the energies that also sustained birtherism was not McCain’s only contribution to our present moment. Indeed, it may well prove that McCain’s most transformative impact on American politics was the precedent he set by nominating then-Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin as his running mate. For the sake of reviving flagging polls, the seventy-two-year-old McCain, already a cancer survivor, mortgaged his campaign’s central themes of experience and prudence to nominate as his potential Oval Office replacement a telegenic but absurdly unvetted and ludicrously underqualified demagogue. The tolerance for cocksure incompetence mixed with pandering to white racial grievances that McCain’s endorsement uniquely legitimized continues to blight American politics, even if Palin herself has receded to the status of a terminally marginal political figure. If there is a direct line to be drawn from the éminence grise GOP of yore to the toupeed orange ghoul that is Trump, that line passes right through John McCain.

But if John McCain was actually in many respects an unexceptional politician, unexceptional even in his hypocrisies and his cynicism, the John McCain Phenomenon is another matter. For the last decades of his life, both for countless Americans and certainly for the media, John McCain was an icon of respectable, patriotic American politics. His appeal was not just confined to Republicans; it captured many Democrats as well, and not just the “hawkish” career Democratic politicians like Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, whom he briefly courted as a vice-presidential nominee. McCain also won the votes of 16 percent of Democrats who favored Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries but who preferred to give McCain their ballot over Obama (approximately the same percentage of Sanders backers who switched to Trump instead of Clinton in 2016). The John McCain Phenomenon entranced earnest observers, enthusiastic television talking heads, and serious newspaper editorial boards, all of whom axiomatically invoked McCain as by turns an ambassador for a dignified American conservatism and as a bipartisan moral authority on all matters of military policy and civic honor.

There are many reasons for the John McCain Phenomenon. Part of it was simply canny image management on McCain’s part. His political opponents often discovered that his war record inoculated McCain from many standard lines of attack—the risk of blowback was just too great. The media, whose attention McCain adored (he jokingly dubbed them his “base”), often also didn’t know how to approach his story, simultaneously fascinated and diffident, torn between competing impulses toward lurid sensationalism and pieties of respect.

McCain made the most of all of it. Sometimes, at choice moments, he’d dig at his opponents with pointedly self-deprecating humor. During one of the 2007 Republican primary events, he dropped a one-liner about Hillary Clinton’s support for a one million dollar concert museum for Woodstock, New York: “My friends, I wasn’t there, I’m certain it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was tied up at the time . . . .” Other times, he’d lay it out matter-of-factly, as during his first years in Arizona, when the question of his being a “carpet-bagger” arose and he’d calmly reply that, growing up in the Navy, the longest he’d ever actually lived in any single place was in Hanoi. One way or another, McCain’s story had the power to silence opposition—at home or abroad, as when he gave his imprimatur to Bill Clinton’s normalization of relations with Vietnam in 1995 (years later, McCain would also enthusiastically support lifting of one final American embargo, so that the Vietnamese could buy American weapons to arm themselves against China).

What scandals McCain faced tarnished his image somewhat, but they never truly deflated the John McCain Phenomenon. In 1989, a Phoenix banker named Charles Keating was revealed to have sold garbage bonds to twenty-three thousand of his Savings & Loan customers, destroying many life savings and inflicting $3.4 billion in damage to taxpayers. Keating’s scam had thrived in no small part thanks to a network of five senators with whom he had ties, and some of whom had approached the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to quash an investigation into his practices. Keating had given McCain’s campaign $112,000, and he had numerous other connections to McCain, including gifts of flights on his jet, trips to the Caribbean, and a key role in a lucrative real estate deal involving Cindy McCain and her father. Ultimately, the Senate Ethics Committee concluded McCain had not broken any laws, and merely criticized him for “poor judgment.” The Keating fallout cost McCain professionally (it nixed any putative possibility of a presidential run in the nineties) and personally (Cindy cited the stress of the scandal as a contributor to her developing a drug addiction, which itself yielded another scandal). Yet time passed, and McCain made reparative gestures, most notably another bipartisan bill, this time on campaign finance. When that legislation, McCain-Feingold, was made largely moot by the Supreme Court in Citizens United, McCain characteristically criticized the ruling; just as characteristically, he also voted against legislation that would have reined in its scope. Meanwhile, through it all, the McCain Phenomenon kept on.

There are many explanations for the national political media’s romance with McCain—its lust for heroic military narratives (and war-mongering), its infatuation with the “maverick” label, its sad susceptibility to the flattery of the powerful. But probably the central key to the Phenomenon is how John McCain’s story activates some of the most deep-seated beliefs and potent feelings of contemporary, post-draft America. Since the United States ended conscription in favor an all-volunteer military in 1973, the representation of military veterans among our political elites has steadily decreased. As the political scientists Karl Eikenberry and David Kennedy have documented, in 1975, 70 percent of Congresspeople had served in the military; by 2013, that number had dropped to a mere 20 percent. Compared to members of Congress, the representation of veterans among presidential candidates has been fairly high, but it too has diminished in recent decades. Of the twenty-six major party candidates for president since the Second World War, nineteen served in the active-duty military or military reserves, and nine of those were directly involved in combat. But lately this background has grown rare, and its political dividends more debatable. Bill Clinton’s draft avoidance followed him from the campaign trail to the White House, and the last Democratic veteran candidate, John Kerry, was the object of vicious attacks by GOP-affiliated groups that sought to discredit his combat service in Vietnam. Among Republicans, George W. Bush suffered from a checkered stint in the Texas Air National Guard; the last GOP candidate with a military background prior to him was Bob Dole, who served in World War II.

Against this backdrop, John McCain has always represented something else: a politician with a military background like no other, and with a personal story of martial service and battlefield hardship unburdened by tawdry controversy. Amid a roster of bloodless technocrats, a politician who has literally fought and bled for the flag carries the bracing cachet of having faced The Real. And not of having just faced it, but of courageously overcoming it and returning with an inspirational message. As McCain puts it in his memoir, Faith of My Fathers, co-written with his eloquent speechwriter, Mark Salter:

I thought glory was the object of war, and all glory was self-glory. No more. For I have learned the truth: there are greater pursuits than self-seeking. Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. . . . Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.

This narrative of abandoning self-seeking in favor of something greater taps deep wells, mythic and even theological, while also trading in popular narrative tropes of personal redemption. McCain the young man, conceited but daring and with a roguish charm, is made to suffer, but learns thereby the values of self-sacrifice and leadership. His youthful disrespect for the proper authorities is transmuted into defiance of abuse at the hands of improper authorities, and then into a nobility of proper authority in his own right—while preserving the added frisson of his old independent-minded iconoclasm. The reckless Hotshot becomes the Maverick, who happens to always vote the same way as the Company Man; Han Solo, but for Empire.

And behind this narrative, so appealing to so many Americans, lies yet another one, about the supposed power of suffering and sacrifice to endow the sufferer with wisdom and to produce moral transformation. Not for nothing has the writer Peter Lucier, an Afghanistan veteran, argued that Americans seem to want their veterans to be quasi-Christ figures, at once Messiah, High Priest, and Sacrificial Lamb, the delegated executors and interpreters of a civic religion which their sacrifice dignifies and consecrates. From the stories of his time in the Hanoi Hilton, which in the telling of admirers can take on the feel of a Passion Play, to the outsized hopes laid on McCain as a could-have-been-transformational president, the McCain Phenomenon plays all these keys, and more.

One wonders how much McCain, a man deeply fixated on maintaining a particular public image, knew this, how much he consciously traded on it. In yet another book co-authored with Salter, this time a Profiles in Courage-style set of biographical portraits of McCain’s supposed heroes entitled Hard Call: The Art of Great Decisions, McCain presented his take on the liberal theologian Reinhold Niebuhr:

"It is hard for the soldier to risk his life for an irony or for the public to support him in that endeavor without the inspiration that we are doing a necessary good for the world because we are, as a nation, concerned with doing good … America was conceived as an example to the world, and while our pride in that purpose may indeed be sinful, it has made this world a better more just place. That is not to argue that we should march into the world to do good unchastened by the knowledge that we are, in the end, finite and weak and sinful creatures. Nor is to suggest that even in a just cause our choices are unstained by some evil. We can only hope to serve justice better than we have served our self-interest – no easy task.”

This passage hits all the notes of purposefulness, redemption, pious exceptionalism, and reflective morality McCain made his trademark. As a military man who had risked his life himself, McCain here seems to trade—as he so often did—on his unique prerogative to weigh the difference between being prideful and being earnest, between self-interest and self-sacrifice, between pleading in self-justification and being justified by righteous deeds. And then, in literally the next paragraph, McCain goes on to suggest that Niebuhr—who condemned the war in Vietnam as a disgraceful monstrosity—would have cosigned McCain’s votes in support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Never mind that this speculative claim seems dubious at best, cynically self-exculpatory at worst. It was also vintage McCain, catnip for his readers, and for pundits in particular. David Brooks of the New York Times, in one of his many paeans to McCain, praised him for constantly sharing such “little biographies of his own exemplars.” “These sorts of testimonies,” wrote Brooks, “help weave a shared moral order, which is necessary to unite, guide and motivate a diverse country.” Per Brooks, McCain, in addition to having his own inspiring story, represented a font of moral vignettes, the better to inspire the masses. In other words, he was the moralizing pundit’s ideal politician: the politician-as-moralizing-pundit. But something more drew people like Brooks to McCain than a laughable impulse to identify with him. (“McCain’s career has had its low moments, as all of ours do,” observed Brooks.) What McCain truly embodied for the pundit class was one of the few principles they themselves have to live by: that if you can deliver a compelling story, and strike the right postures of seriousness and sense of tradition, it doesn’t matter what monstrosities you help make possible. Constantly toggling between identifying with McCain as their fantasy image of themselves and self-deprecatingly worshipping him as the True Hero they could never be, most American pundits were thus able to avoid assessing McCain for what he actually was and for what he actually did—all the better to avoid confronting those same truths about themselves. McCain, for his part, nobly ratified their self-flattery by letting them flatter him, which he enjoyed. Together he and they operated in a perfect circuit of mutual self-satisfaction; the loss of this is what many in the press now mourn, since with him dies a particularly useful device—an exemplar—for lying to themselves.

But also they mourn because America’s media elites, like many Americans, want something much more basic. They want leaders who make them feel morally uplifted while still getting the same old bloody job done: leaders who voice plangent concerns about napalm, and then fly off on a bombing run; who think somberly of Niebuhr, and then vote for the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF); who fulminate about the decadence and irresponsibility represented by our current president, and then approve his tax cuts and record-setting military budget regardless.

Back in 2000, David Foster Wallace saw in the crowds applauding McCain people “cheering not for him so much as for how good it feels to believe him.” The question of McCain’s authenticity became, for Wallace, a litmus test for our personal dispositions, a referendum on our “own little interior battles between cynicism and idealism and marketing and leadership.” Now, two decades of war later, after McCain died too late, and Wallace, too early, abstractly meditating on the enigma of McCain’s authenticity feels largely beside the point. Whatever was in his heart, McCain’s political life played out at the nexus of elemental American beliefs—that suffering yields wisdom, that sacrifice is morally redemptive, and that suffering in war is the most noble and purifying experience of them all.

McCain came quite literally to embody those beliefs, and as he did, they merged, combining too with an American tendency to confuse victimhood in one domain with moral authority in another. John McCain, the POW hero turned political icon, reached the apogee of his influence in a nation grown inured to constant war, which it wages while remaining profoundly alienated from it, a war that he himself helped prosecute. Against that backdrop, he ultimately stood for one principle above all others: that publicly celebrated suffering undertaken by the willing and able consecrates with moral authority their decisions to impose suffering on people with less or no say, willingness, or glory in the matter. His very selflessness in his personal ordeal of wartime suffering gave his later decisions to let other people suffer the same veneer of irreproachable selflessness—and made our responses a matter of honoring his sacrifices, not theirs. If John McCain, who had sacrificed so much and so nobly, could bring himself to vote against minimum wage increases, or to decide that American eighteen-year-olds should be deployed to Iraq for the next hundred years, who were we to disagree? Evaluating the impact of McCain’s experience in Vietnam, none other than Henry Kissinger proclaimed “I think being a war hero has given him the inward strength to do things that the ordinary politician wouldn’t do.” Kissinger may well have been right, but he only told half the story: McCain gave us that strength, too.
 
Weird post. Based on that you have zero clue about the subject and have generally no comprehension of the difference between steady migrations over hundreds of years and sudden influx of millions of cultural-opposites.

Meh. It's no different to other mass refugee situations that have happened before. Rather than resent it because you fear a changing Germany, just accept it and get to know your new countrymen rather than speak of them as if they are terrible people.
 
Weird post.
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It's a bad cult ("we're the greatest country in the world!"), a cult which McCain supported. Jimmy Carter and arguably Donald Trump are the only Presidents of the last 40 years who were/are less interested in pushing this dangerous cult via foreign conflicts (Trump's war of words is not the same thing as actual warmongering).

Maybe that's even the real reason why McCain didn't like Trump.
That you can post this sentence about the man whose campaign motto is literally Make America Great again whilst offering not a scrap of evidence that US foreign policy has changed for the better regarding foreign conflicts I find far more weird tbh.

How many of that list of things you were critical of McCain supporting can you equally apply to Trump?
 
Maybe that's even the real reason why McCain didn't like Trump.
Come on man, you think John McCain didn't like Trump because Trump isn't patriotic enough?
American patriotism is a strange animal. I'm not totally sure of the history of how it developed to where it is today but it's fairly evident that the only way to unify such a disparate melting pot of cultures and ethnicities is to give them common identity and pride, that's America. I would imagine the 'American dream' stuff is post great depression.
In one post you criticize Germany for taking in so many people who are so different and in the next you criticize America for providing a point of pride that helps different cultures live together.
Where this heightened level of patriotism becomes dangerous is when the likes of Trump co-opt it for one culture or ethnicity at the expence of all others.
That might have been one of the reasons McCain didn't like Trump.
 
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