Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

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I hope I grow old enough that to see BB understand I like to break up the tension with a bit of fun sometimes.

Especially when 77 is going full Steve and calling me names and getting hot under the collar.

I want to maintain my reputation of being very well liked in these neck of the woods. I know when to take the foot off the pedal.
Oh come on, ‘silly ball bag’ is clearly a term of endearment!
 
You might not be, and that's part of the problem. Trump didn't just appear ex nihil in 2015-16; and if four years on the best the Democratic Party can come up with for a nominee is Joe Biden would suggest that the party does not - and never did - see itself as a major contributing factor in the grotesque lurch to the Right. This lack of introspection, self-appraisal and corrective strategy has left them only having an 8 point lead over one of the nastiest , least successful leaders to have ever run a Western country running into the Election.
It's called the Overton Window. Of course they played a part in it. The Democratic Party decided they would attempt to "play" the game assuming Republicans were even interested in anything like comprimise.

The fact is the US has been subjected to 25+ years of a straight up disinformation campaign by vested interests. I've no idea whatsoever what the end game is for them but just look at the news. One may have a bit of a slight bias in their reporting whilst the Republican channels literally lie with not a single crap given. Obama wears a tan suit?? IMPEACH HIM! Trump does about 60 impeachable things? Nah, not a big deal, look at how RADICAL that JOE BIDEN is! His son was given a JOB! NEPOTISM EXISTS THERE!
 
It's called the Overton Window. Of course they played a part in it. The Democratic Party decided they would attempt to "play" the game assuming Republicans were even interested in anything like comprimise.

The fact is the US has been subjected to 25+ years of a straight up disinformation campaign by vested interests. I've no idea whatsoever what the end game is for them but just look at the news. One may have a bit of a slight bias in their reporting whilst the Republican channels literally lie with not a single crap given. Obama wears a tan suit?? IMPEACH HIM! Trump does about 60 impeachable things? Nah, not a big deal, look at how RADICAL that JOE BIDEN is! His son was given a JOB! NEPOTISM EXISTS THERE!
The Overton window, is that when we’ve signed no one?
 
People said this last time too. The question is never asked: "why does he think he is correct?", "why did he correctly predict the outcome last time?". There's never that introspection. It's just easier for people to coalesce around back-patting and abusing Finners.

He predicted the correct outcome last time because he is in love with that horrid dish sponge Anne Coulter and that's what she predicted.
 
You might not be, and that's part of the problem. Trump didn't just appear ex nihil in 2015-16; and if four years on the best the Democratic Party can come up with for a nominee is Joe Biden would suggest that the party does not - and never did - see itself as a major contributing factor in the grotesque lurch to the Right. This lack of introspection, self-appraisal and corrective strategy has left them only having an 8 point lead over one of the nastiest , least successful leaders to have ever run a Western country running into the Election.
But this wasn’t really a “party decides” primary. There was a whole host of options from all political views

Pretty much any “wing’ of the loose Democratic party coalition was represented and 10 got to the ballot stage.

If you are going to point a finger it is surely voters (or non voters) that it should be directed at and that applies equally to the choices the Republicans ended up with in 2016.
 
Mike Pence is dull as dishwater but was picked to balance Trump‘s incandescent rhetoric. Think ”radicalism“ is a tad ott, Pence despite his plainness is probably further to the political extremes of US politics than Harris has been.
Pence is definitely more extreme politically than Harris. Also, Pence was fingered by the Trump campaign because the only people who like him are (some) white Evangelicals who are reliable Republican voters but whose willingness to show up at the polls to vote for the likes of Trump was very much in doubt in 2016. Speculation that Pence might be swapped out for another running mate this time (e.g., the noisome Nikki Haley) is predicated in part on the assumption that Trump now owns white Evangelicals, making Pence superfluous.

Trump did it brilliantly in 2016, but the opponent is markedly different. I dont think an elderly, centre white man will be able to invoke the level of rage a black man, or a woman did in 2016. I also dont think Kamala Harris will either.
Trump did nothing brilliantly in 2016 but he was brilliantly lucky in two ways: He was part of an overpopulated GOP primary in which being an outrageous bomb-thrower was more likely to be viewed favorably among so many bland JEB! types; and he was running against a Dem candidate who many revile beyond all others, in no small part due to the fact that she's been smeared by the right for 25 years. In the 1990s she was ridiculed for saying her husband's administration had been hounded by a "vast rightwing conspiracy," but history has proved her correct. People critical of Hillary Clinton may well be sensible. People who hate hate HATE her have most likely swallowed a boatload of propaganda.

I hope I grow old enough
You won't.
 
But this wasn’t really a “party decides” primary. There was a whole host of options from all political views

Pretty much any “wing’ of the loose Democratic party coalition was represented and 10 got to the ballot stage.

If you are going to point a finger it is surely voters (or non voters) that it should be directed at and that applies equally to the choices the Republicans ended up with in 2016.

No because you have used 2015-16 as a starting point whereas I see it as the apex. The conditions that led to Trump even having a chance go back way before that to the mishandling of the 2008 financial crisis.

The fact that two of the architects of that failure - Clinton and Biden - have been the last two nominees shows that no one is is learning any lessons at all here. Obama/ McCain and Obama / Romney was a choice between candidates. For the second succession US election we've got an "anyone but [x]" scenario. Clinton first, Trump this time round.

Where is the succession planning? Once Obama won a second term who was the new young candidate they could position for the future? No one. A hubris, "the problems weren't our fault" approach has led to Clinton and Biden even being options, let alone nominees. We have it in the UK - prior to him getting the FCO gig Boris Johnson wouldn't even been close to being a serious Tory leadership candidate. And now he's an 80 majority PM who will almost certainly back Trump in some way shape or form.
 
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No because you have used 2015-16 as a starting point whereas I see it as the apex. The conditions that led to Trump even having a chance go back way before that to the mishandling of the 2008 financial crisis.

The fact that two of the architects of that failure - Clinton and Biden - have been the last two nominees shows that no one is is learning any lessons at all here. Obama/ McCain and Obama / Kerry was a choice between candidates. For the second succession US election we've got an "anyone but [x]" scenario. Clinton first, Trump this time round.

Where is the succession planning? Once Obama won a second term who was the new young candidate they could position for the future? No one. A hubris, "the problems weren't our fault" approach has led to Clinton and Biden even being options, let alone nominees. We have it in the UK - prior to him getting the FCO gig Boris Johnson wouldn't even been close to being a serious Tory leadership candidate. And now he's an 80 majority PM who will almost certainly back Trump in some way shape or form.
Obama went up against Romney not Kerry in 2012. Kerry is a Democrat also haha!
 
No because you have used 2015-16 as a starting point whereas I see it as the apex. The conditions that led to Trump even having a chance go back way before that to the mishandling of the 2008 financial crisis.

The fact that two of the architects of that failure - Clinton and Biden - have been the last two nominees shows that no one is is learning any lessons at all here. Obama/ McCain and Obama / Kerry was a choice between candidates. For the second succession US election we've got an "anyone but [x]" scenario. Clinton first, Trump this time round.

Where is the succession planning? Once Obama won a second term who was the new young candidate they could position for the future? No one. A hubris, "the problems weren't our fault" approach has led to Clinton and Biden even being options, let alone nominees. We have it in the UK - prior to him getting the FCO gig Boris Johnson wouldn't even been close to being a serious Tory leadership candidate. And now he's an 80 majority PM who will almost certainly back Trump in some way shape or form.
All right, I'll jump on this grenade here:

Explain how Joe Biden, he of the the Senate Foreign Relation Committee and Senate Judiciary Committee for 90% of his involvement of being in a committee in the Senate, an "architect of failure" of the 2008 financial crisis? And, for that matter, Senator Hillary Clinton(barf): She sat on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–02),[252] Committee on Armed Services (2003–09),[253] Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–09), Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–09)[252] and Special Committee on Aging.[254] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[255] (2001–09).[256]

MAYBE the case can be made that Committee on Budget could have helped but, ultimately, had no bearing upon something that she had little control over. Unless you are talking about Bill repealing the Bank Holding Company Act which, again, has nothing to do with Biden or Hillary Clinton.

I feel this is akin to people genuinely asking what Obama did to stop 9/11 or with the Katrina response.
 
All right, I'll jump on this grenade here:

Explain how Joe Biden, he of the the Senate Foreign Relation Committee and Senate Judiciary Committee for 90% of his involvement of being in a committee in the Senate, an "architect of failure" of the 2008 financial crisis? And, for that matter, Senator Hillary Clinton(barf): She sat on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–02),[252] Committee on Armed Services (2003–09),[253] Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–09), Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–09)[252] and Special Committee on Aging.[254] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[255] (2001–09).[256]

MAYBE the case can be made that Committee on Budget could have helped but, ultimately, had no bearing upon something that she had little control over. Unless you are talking about Bill repealing the Bank Holding Company Act which, again, has nothing to do with Biden or Hillary Clinton.

I feel this is akin to people genuinely asking what Obama did to stop 9/11 or with the Katrina response.
Its all something to do with George Soros the once 15 year old jew who was a Nazi sympathizer and now the most powerful Democrat right? He pulls their strings right? Am I close
 
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