Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

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LinekersLegs said:
Think that an over simplification myself.

Did Trump and his awful candidates make a big difference, of course. But Biden was smart about highlighting them as an issue, he aggressively campaigned that their election denialism meant that democracy was at risk. Biden is also a particularly good foil for Trump in a way many other dems are not.
www.foxnews.com

Watters: There's just not the hatred there is for Joe Biden that there was for Obama, the Clintons | Fox News Video

'The Five' co-hosts discuss voter turnout in the midterm elections, John Fetterman's Pennsylvania Senate win and President Biden's plans to run again in 2024.
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Also some of the policies that Biden pushed, like student debt forgiveness which probably helped get the usually low midterm turnout of younger voters up, would have had an impact.
www.npr.org

Turnout among young voters was the second highest for a midterm in past 30 years

About 27% of voters between the ages of 18-29 cast a ballot in the midterm election this year, according to an early estimate.
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Only 27% of young voters could be arsed to vote, and that’s billed as a good thing? Then those that didn’t bother to vote will probably complain when they get a result they don’t like. Who would have thought it?
 
Cool_Blue said:
Only 27% of young voters could be arsed to vote, and that’s billed as a good thing? Then those that didn’t bother to vote will probably complain when they get a result they don’t like. Who would have thought it?
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One of the dirty secrets in this country is that, comparatively, no one votes in the midterms and almost no one votes in state and local elections when Congress and the governor are not on the ballot, or in primaries. The number the media likes to cite is our low turnout in presidential elections compared to other democracies, but then they fail to point out that the democracies with 80%+ turnout generally fine the snot out of people for not voting.

Turnout in 2020 was just under 63% of the voting age population...but 94.1% of registered voters. The only other OECD country with a gap like that is Luxembourg. I'm not sure what's going on over there - voting is compulsory but in practice this is not enforced.

You could argue that voting in a general election where I live is a totally irrational act, in the sense that the only way my vote has even the slimmest chance of mattering is in a Republican primary for state representative or local office.
 
Martin Alvito said:
One of the dirty secrets in this country is that, comparatively, no one votes in the midterms and almost no one votes in state and local elections when Congress and the governor are not on the ballot, or in primaries. The number the media likes to cite is our low turnout in presidential elections compared to other democracies, but then they fail to point out that the democracies with 80%+ turnout generally fine the snot out of people for not voting.

Turnout in 2020 was just under 63% of the voting age population...but 94.1% of registered voters. The only other OECD country with a gap like that is Luxembourg. I'm not sure what's going on over there - voting is compulsory but in practice this is not enforced.

You could argue that voting in a general election where I live is a totally irrational act, in the sense that the only way my vote has even the slimmest chance of mattering is in a Republican primary for state representative or local office.
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Exact same for me, even in the midterms. Every non-Republican candidate lost by a substantial margin. I did have the privilege of finding myself amongst the almost 80% of Tennesseans who voted to outlaw slavery, so that’s something.
 
Martin Alvito said:
One of the dirty secrets in this country is that, comparatively, no one votes in the midterms and almost no one votes in state and local elections when Congress and the governor are not on the ballot, or in primaries. The number the media likes to cite is our low turnout in presidential elections compared to other democracies, but then they fail to point out that the democracies with 80%+ turnout generally fine the snot out of people for not voting.

Turnout in 2020 was just under 63% of the voting age population...but 94.1% of registered voters. The only other OECD country with a gap like that is Luxembourg. I'm not sure what's going on over there - voting is compulsory but in practice this is not enforced.

You could argue that voting in a general election where I live is a totally irrational act, in the sense that the only way my vote has even the slimmest chance of mattering is in a Republican primary for state representative or local office.
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Thats really interesting to hear.

I am assuming there are no punitive measures for not voting or if there are, they aren't enforced in the US as well as countries like Luxembourg?
 
Dixieslaces said:
Thats really interesting to hear.

I am assuming there are no punitive measures for not voting or if there are, they aren't enforced in the US as well as countries like Luxembourg?
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Compulsory voting is comparatively rare these days. It used to be a lot more common, and there are places like Luxembourg where the statutes are on the books but the government winks at them. Australia is probably the best-known example of actual, enforced compulsory voting.

The vast majority of democracies work like the US and UK, where voting is fully optional. One reason that compulsory voting has become less common is the academic recognition that a lot of people can't actually connect candidate preference to the outcomes they prefer. If we make those people vote when they're disinterested, it introduces an unpredictable error term into electoral results that is probably undesirable.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Compulsory voting is comparatively rare these days. It used to be a lot more common, and there are places like Luxembourg where the statutes are on the books but the government winks at them. Australia is probably the best-known example of actual, enforced compulsory voting.

The vast majority of democracies work like the US and UK, where voting is fully optional. One reason that compulsory voting has become less common is the academic recognition that a lot of people can't actually connect candidate preference to the outcomes they prefer. If we make those people vote when they're disinterested, it introduces an unpredictable error term into electoral results that is probably undesirable.
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Makes sense.

It also, in some way, shows a lack of faith in the electorate overall, but disinterested or motiveless voting would sure introduce a surprise element lol!

I dont mean to be dismissive in may last comment BTW!

I wish I had done politics and geo politics as a degree, due to age, becoming more and more interested in how this all fits together in the grand scheme of things, was way too passive in my youth. Makes you realise to a small extent how youth is wasted on the young lol.

Guess its never to late though..
 
Dixieslaces said:
Makes sense.

It also, in some way, shows a lack of faith in the electorate overall, but disinterested or motiveless voting would sure introduce a surprise element lol!

I dont mean to be dismissive in may last comment BTW!

I wish I had done politics and geo politics as a degree, due to age, becoming more and more interested in how this all fits together in the grand scheme of things, was way too passive in my youth. Makes you realise to a small extent how youth is wasted on the young lol.

Guess its never to late though..
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Didn't take your last comment as dismissive. Looked like a request for clarification to me.

Never too old to go back. There was a guy in his fifties in my graduate program. I know a guy that's a mediator who was around the age of sixty when he went back to law school. Did well, too. The kids all called him "Gramps", and respected him.
 
MaupsGoat said:
Bellends coming at Joe for this I saw on the Twits.

Like its easy to get anything from Russia, they would be more than happy to see ALL their prisoners rot in American prisons, cos they dont care, how do you negotiate with somebody like that?
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He could run into a burning building to save babies and the GOP would complain about something
 
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