Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

[peteblue]

Blimey. A few months ago you said you would rather be part of the US instead of the EU. Now its all in with Russia and China.

Have you considered changing your username to @petethecommie ?

I am unashamedly British.…

 

[Ruairi77]

I am. The Americans had full control of the airport. A bomb went off and troops then shot into the crowd. Meanwhile the British who were no where near the gate are now getting the blame. Biden has blamed everybody and his dog for his own failures, to now blame our troops is the final act of a delusional man who should be in medical care, trying to deflect away from his own incompetence. I’d rather that the UK allies itself with Russia and China than this madman in the whitehouse. Those of you who voted this cretin into power have a lot to answer for…..

I voted for warren in the primary and Biden in the general. With the exception of this (and yes, it’s a bug exception) I think he’s done well. His child tax credit just lifted 3 million kids out of poverty. America finally has child benefit. You won’t hear much about it outside the states tho.

 

[dholliday]

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Embarrassing response this. Your point was how peaceful Trump was, and that the war on terror had paused while he was in power.

It’s been pointed out that it didn’t pause (via the drone strikes under his authority, and also don’t forget the MOAB in Afghanistan), and you’re now scratching around trying to justify those strikes - they were “out of sight”, he ceded responsibility, the ends justify the means.

The war on terror never stopped under Trump, him passing responsibility to the military rather than the White House, and stopping the reporting of causalities resulting from drone strikes does not equate to a pause.

How on Earth can you say there was “no coherent military target”? The one you criticised was (according to them anyway) aimed at a VBIED on route to attack the same target that a suicide bomber had attacked a few days previously.

There was way more military justification for that than almost any strike (including the ones on al-Awlaki or Sulemani) that has been widely reported.

Biden is killing kids and this is what you're focussing on?

Horrible.

 

[tsubaki]

Biden is killing kids and this is what you're focussing on?

Horrible.

Shouldn’t you be praising him to the skies then? Or is that only if he suggests people inject themselves with light.

 

[Amw79]

Biden is killing kids and this is what you're focussing on?

Horrible.

Ha. You have no idea how much of my time has been focussed on Afghanistan over the past 3 weeks. I’d wager I’ve spent more time trying to directly help the situation over there than you.

You were the one using the situation to politically recast Trump in a better light, by lying about Trump’s ‘pause on the war on terror’, then tried to justify it with an embarrassing pivot when you got called out. Now you’re retreating to an argument from emotion, calling it into question other’s compassion and empathy, so you’re just compounding being wrong about one thing, with being wrong about another.

 

[dholliday]

Ha. You have no idea how much of my time has been focussed on Afghanistan over the past 3 weeks. I’d wager I’ve spent more time trying to directly help the situation over there than you.

You were the one using the situation to politically recast Trump in a better light, by lying about Trump’s ‘pause on the war on terror’, then tried to justify it with an embarrassing pivot when you got called out. Now you’re retreating to an argument from emotion, calling it into question other’s compassion and empathy, so you’re just compounding being wrong about one thing, with being wrong about another.

What's your opinion on Biden authorising a strike which killed several kids and an allied interpreter?

 

[Amw79]

What's your opinion on Biden authorising a strike which killed several kids and an allied interpreter?

Awful. Biden’s handling of the entire situation has been woeful and is having, and will continue to have dire consequences.

 

[dholliday]

Awful. Biden’s handling of the entire situation has been woeful and is having, and will continue to have dire consequences.

We agree on that.

I hope for all our sakes he gets binned, and Kamala can prove she is a sound replacement.

 

[Amw79]

We agree on that.

I hope for all our sakes he gets binned, and Kamala can prove she is a sound replacement.

If civilian deaths due to drone strikes were enough to unseat a president, every president would have been binned since drones were invented.

 

[dholliday]

If civilian deaths due to drone strikes were enough to unseat a president, every president would have been binned since drones were invented.

It's not just the drone strikes, is it? As you well know. It's the whole package of his handling of Afghanistan, with the innocent deaths being that nasty 'cherry' on top. He pushed for that. He pushed for the inevitable repercussions. You could argue he (and his handlers) want that, for whatever insane evil reason.

We should be well beyond tolerating this kind of murder.

 

[Amw79]

It's not just the drone strikes, is it? As you well know. It's the whole package of his handling of Afghanistan, with the innocent deaths being that nasty 'cherry' on top. He pushed for that. He pushed for the inevitable repercussions. You could argue he (and his handlers) want that, for whatever insane evil reason.

We should be well beyond tolerating this kind of murder.

You’re now implying motive, and making a moral claim about those motives - evil, insane, murder - which you can’t possibly know. As well as insinuating shady “handlers”. Probably end it there as your post has too many hidden assumptions to reasonably engage with it.

 

[dholliday]

You’re now implying motive, and making a moral claim about those motives - evil, insane, murder - which you can’t possibly know. As well as insinuating shady “handlers”. Probably end it there as your post has too many hidden assumptions to reasonably engage with it.

Of course it's evil to drop bombs in the middle of places where it is known civilians & families are. When recent history has shown how often US bombs have killed innocents. It is evil to make that decision to bomb knowing the high risks.

Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked.

Of course he has handlers, any observer of Biden knows this, whether partisan or not. I'm surprised if you seriously haven't noticed this.

How much authority his handlers have remains open to debate. Officially, Biden himself authorised those strikes.

 

[Amw79]

Of course it's evil to drop bombs in the middle of places where it is known civilians & families are. When recent history has shown how often US bombs have killed innocents. It is evil to make that decision to bomb knowing the high risks.

Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked.

Of course he has handlers, any observer of Biden knows this, whether partisan or not. I'm surprised if you seriously haven't noticed this.

How much authority his handlers have remains open to debate. Officially, Biden himself authorised those strikes.

So, again you’re talking about the evil of drone strikes and civilian casualties, when this has been a feature of US policy for decades and presidents have not been removed for that.

If your position is that any president who presides over civilian casualties due to their foreign policy should go, then that’s fine, and the last 4 presidents should have gone in their first year, including Biden. That’s a perfectly consistent position to hold.

 

[tsubaki]

Of course it's evil to drop bombs in the middle of places where it is known civilians & families are. When recent history has shown how often US bombs have killed innocents. It is evil to make that decision to bomb knowing the high risks.

Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked.

Of course he has handlers, any observer of Biden knows this, whether partisan or not. I'm surprised if you seriously haven't noticed this.

How much authority his handlers have remains open to debate. Officially, Biden himself authorised those strikes.

No it isn’t - to do that requires extreme justification, justification of the sort that can only be as part of a war where defence of self or of your troops but the act itself of dropping bombs on civilians is not by itself evil, illegal or murder.

 

[dholliday]

So, again you’re talking about the evil of drone strikes and civilian casualties, when this has been a feature of US policy for decades and presidents have not been removed for that.

If your position is that any president who presides over civilian casualties due to their foreign policy should go, then that’s fine, and the last 4 presidents should have gone in their first year, including Biden. That’s a perfectly consistent position to hold.

My position is any President should have been impeached for deaths of innocents. That includes all of them in living memory except perhaps Carter and at a push Trump (if we accept his ceding authority to the military for the Yemen strikes as valid-innocence, which is another conversation).

The reality is now, however. Now we again have such strikes, on top of the entire Afghan debacle. He should be impeached. If not, we in the West (or at least those in the US) have zero claim to moral authority over anyone.

No it isn’t - to do that requires extreme justification, justification of the sort that can only be as part of a war where defence of self or of your troops but the act itself of dropping bombs on civilians is not by itself evil, illegal or murder.

Are you defending that strike?

Jesus, tsu...i honestly thought you were morally more sound than that.